i havent played in a long ass time, cuz of new job getting me in bed early...
PokerStars No-Limit Hold'em, $0.25 BB (8 handed) FTR converter on zerodivide.cx

Hero ($42.20)
UTG ($20.70)
UTG+1 (Clown2)/ ($14)
MP1 ($44.10)
MP2 ($9.50)
CO ($31.50)
Button ($17.10)
SB (clown1)/ ($23.05)

Preflop: Hero is BB with A:diamond:, 3:spade:.
1 fold, Button calls $0.25, SB (clown1) completes, Hero checks.

Flop: ($1.25) 7:diamond:, A:club:, 7:heart: (5 players)
clown1 bets $0.25, Hero calls $0.25, Clown2 calls $0.25, MP2 folds, Button folds.

Turn: ($2) K:club: (3 players)
clown1 bets $0.25, Clown2 calls $1, clown1 calls $0.75.

River: ($5) 2:diamond: (3 players)
clown1 checks, Hero ???


i wanted to raise the flop, but clown2 was pretty loose, and i didnt mind his calling with rags.

the turn, i felt I had at least a chop with clown1.... should i go for overcalls from clown2, or raise for value?


valuebet the river?



just wanted to see a few ways to play this... small pots are important.

Flop call is bad with 5 players. Just fold.

Turn card helps. Still no reason to raise. You're at best a split...

yeah.. i totally agree.

i have been misplaying really bad this session... although not bad to win on first session played in 4 months.

guess it was a good idea to move down to micro stakes... lol

fold or raise the flop

Why would we raise?

There are no draws on the board.

Any hands we beat are drawing to 2 outs at best.

Any hands that beat us aren't folding.

to get it HU, fold a better A putting us on a 7, define hands from previous reads on villains, maybe pick up the pot, to get position on the original better.

The only people that fold are the people we have crushed.



No better ace is folding at these limits.



Raising is not defining our hand. SB defined his hand already by leading into 4 opponents. He has an ace or a 7. If he was bluffing, good job. Now we get him to fold and win the minimum. There is absolutely no reason to define our hand.



How does this help? He is either bluffing (unlikely), or we are splitting the pot at best.

i should have folded... i really don't like raising. my thoughts were that I may hear from a 7 later down the line if there are a few cold callers. i really don't want to raise and then get cold called on this flop... i minded it less on the turn when i was sure of a chop.

define villains holdings and fold another A on the river if it's checked through on the turn, I'm check/folding if more than 1 person calls and check/folding if anyone other than clown 1(original bettor) calls. raising this depends on your reads though. I like to pick up small pots in NL because they add up, I don't play TAG, I play LAG. My "advice/comments" for NL hands here usually gets looked over or people tell me that I'm wrong. I'm a winning NL player that doesn't play the same as the NL players that play here. I'll go back to not caring about this section of the forum because you people can't come down from your throwns. Good day.[/quote]

My mistake allin. I thought this was limit hold em. :oops:

Raising the flop makes a lot more sense now if we are going to continue with the hand. Disregard most of my previous comments.

I still think folding is best for most people.

whoa...

dude..

chill out man.

i liked the fact that you gave input. screech was just looking for a debate, and i agreed with you.

christ....

I was responding to screech, I had about a page written and my computer messed up so I didn't requote when I quick wrote up my last reply, I didn't even realize this was you that posted this because of the new avatar(jayistheman) if I knew it was you I wouldn't have, go jump out your basement window clown.

ha.

its about time you said that... ive been waiting for that to come back for a few months now!


and my return to the army happens as soon as i find a loophole in the damn internet policy at new job, btw.

[quote=allinbluff35]define villains holdings and fold another A on the river if it's checked through on the turn, I'm check/folding if more than 1 person calls and check/folding if anyone other than clown 1(original bettor) calls. raising this depends on your reads though. I like to pick up small pots in NL because they add up, I don't play TAG, I play LAG. My "advice/comments" for NL hands here usually gets looked over or people tell me that I'm wrong. I'm a winning NL player that doesn't play the same as the NL players that play here. I'll go back to not caring about this section of the forum because you people can't come down from your throwns. Good day.[/quote][/quote]

don't be a pussy
I for one would like more input from strong NL palyers.
Especially if yuo paly a different style.

talk to tall0n who posts there now, he'll be able to help you bypass it.

i think you raise here to define your hand. i think your goal in a hand like this is to represent a hand to other players and play off their reactions to your representations.

im a bad NL player, but i think a hand like this can be played simply, since you're either winning a small pot or spewing away a bunch of chips.