How bad was the C/r on the flop? I think turn call is OK getting 9:1 to make the gutshot and implied odds from the flop bettor.

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Preflop: Hero is SB with J:heart:, K:heart:.
UTG calls, UTG+1 calls, 4 folds, BB calls, UTG calls, UTG+1 calls, CO calls.

Flop: (10 SB) A:heart:, 8:diamond:, 2:club: (5 players)
Hero checks, BB checks, UTG checks, UTG+1 bets, Hero calls.

Turn: (8 BB) Q:spade: (2 players)
Hero checks, UTG+1 bets, Hero calls.

River: (10 BB) K:diamond: (2 players)
Hero checks, UTG+1 bets, Hero calls.

Final Pot: 12 BB

Preflop raise = bad
Flop check/raise = bad
Turn call = bad
River call = bad

Wow.

The turn call is bad because you're 10-1 to hit your draw and you're getting 9-1 in the pot.
The river call is bad because I really don't see your paired K with a J kicker holding up against all of that aggression. Though, the pot may be so big that it warrants a call.

This is the only part of the hand I thought was ok. SSHE recommend raising KJs from the SB, what makes it incorrect here?


This i know?


Can't make up the extra bet on the river from the clear agressor if the draw hits?

I know this was played terribly, which is why I posted it.

pf raise is alright I think.
fold the flop... if you really want to do the whole c/r thing, go ahead, but fold to the 3-bet at least. On the turn you're most likely calling for the gutshot, I don't give you credit for any pair outs... fold the turn.


ugly.

I would raise that preflop too. fwiw. Your on your own with the rest... .

Yeah... Good, so I'm not off there...

The rest wasn't something I'd normally do... Or.. Ever again either

ok, try to be objective aseem.

why in the world did you make that turn call?

9-to-1? implied odds?

what??

you're 10.5-to-1 against. round up. 11-to-1.

think you can make two bets every time a 10 hits?

please, son. step away from the car.

time for sleep, i'm tired.

good night!

aseem

Raising or not PF is close, but in the SB I err on the side of caution. I fold the flop.

Jeff

The preflop raise against so many limpers is for value, but it's probably close. In order to continue on the flop, you really need to hit TP or a decent draw. Two undercards and two BD draws is kinda not the flop you wanted, to put it mildly.

I like the PF raise. Raising out of the blinds can only be for value with 3 in the pot already, and BB likely to come along. I think KJs has an equity edge against 3 limping hands and 1 random hand.

The flop is maniacal. No pair, no over, and no draw. You have no hand. What is a raise supposed to accomplish? That is an easy fold for me.

Ok, so PF is okay then, which is what I thought.

I knew as I was doing it the rest was maniacal, but still pulled it off. Is this OK for advertising at the beginning of a session? Several people I'm sure buddy listed me off of that one - but were all obviously waiting for me to do it again...

Again, I've never made a play this crazy and don't plan on it again.

fold River, K is not an out. (ok..if read he's agg with crap..but u are new to table)

thus, fold turn because you don't have odds implied or otherwise to draw to 4 cards

thus fold the flop beucause your BD draws are inadequate

I'm late on this..but just wanted to kick you again. :-)

heh, thx Actuary... I think the kicking will help, so keep it up. (honestly)

but ok, not only am i never posting a hand like that again, i'm never doing it again. lesson learned,... i guess

If you checked and then called one bet looking for another heart on the turn. That could be fun sometimes. Especially with lots of callers. :wink:

p.s. show me a turn heart and I just may show you a check raise.

I find that I get all the advertising I need from hands I play correctly. The vast majority of SS players don't understand that I'm often correct to call down and lose with TPTK in a large pot, or to value raise with a big draw against a large field, only to fold on the river when my draw misses.