No reads on opponent here

** Game ID 528677686 starting - 2005-10-06 19:27:20
** Elblag [Hold 'em] (0.25|0.50 No Limit - Cash Game) Real Money

- Binbs sitting in seat 1 with $60.15
- ledz sitting in seat 2 with $43.35
- Njordir sitting in seat 3 with $28.00
- Kissemissen sitting in seat 4 with $49.50
- ma0l0bin sitting in seat 5 with $9.25 [Dealer]
- Tigers9 sitting in seat 6 with $31.71

Tigers9 posted the small blind - $0.25
Binbs posted the big blind - $0.50
Kissemissen posted to play - $0.50
** Dealing card to Binbs: 3 , 4
ledz raised - $1.00
Njordir folded
Kissemissen folded
ma0l0bin folded
Tigers9 folded
Binbs called - $1.00

** Dealing the flop: 3 , Queen , 5
Binbs bet - $2.00
ledz called - $2.00

** Dealing the turn: Jack
Binbs bet - $6.00
ledz called - $6.00

** Dealing the river: King
Binbs checked
ledz bet - $10.00
Binbs folded

1. pre-flop fold. Are you hoping to dominate his 4-2os with your 4-3s?

2. Why are you betting bottom pair with second worst kicker TWICE? Is it because you picked up the third worst flush draw possible?

I was BB and wanted to see if I could hit a good flop.


I bet to push him out in case he missed the flop and made a continution bet and semi bluff on my flush draw.

I'm not an expert, but that just looks ugly.

I personally like your approach to this hand. Maybe its just because this is how I like to play NL too.

for a minimum raise, ill look this guy a up with a small suited connector. trying to hit a nice flop. these are the hands where if you hit them good, you are going to get a nice payout.

think you have to remember though that you are out of position and it will be hard to play the rest of the later streets.

nice semibluff on the flop and 4th street, he only called you here so that works out just fine for you. If you hit your flush on the river, two pair, or trips, you are likely to get paid off if he was slowplaying his AQ or what not.

nice hand, you risk a little to win alot.

pf call fine.

I would c/f flop

or

Bet more on turn.

This seems too much wishwashy size bets.


I'm sucknig less at NL these days.

why bluff into a weak/passive/calling station

I play UB and there are plenty of these types...basically, don't bet into them. If you had position on him, then ok, make a play...but betting into him...meh, he isn't going to fold a pair.

- Jordan

how do u know he's a weak passive calling station?
There's no read given.
He raised pf from ep
He bet the river
Calling w/pos is not always weak NL, right?

1st, because he min-raised preflop. I'd say over 75% of my notes on players than min raise PF are min raising AK/AQ or better and are incredibly passive with their hands. They wont raise you post flop but will call you down.

him calling the flop simply tells me he either has a med. pair or the Q. Betting the turn is so stupid, regardless of a read really, he is outta position with a 4 high flush draw and bottom pair.

If I was going to bet the turn, I'd actually bet it somewhat weaker because I don't think I'm going to push this guy off with any bet. Secondly, I'd be betting what I want to pay for my draw. If I check here and he bets the pot it's an obvious fold, if I check here and he checks, free card...great...

but if i bet the turn it shouldn't be because we are trying to push mr. min raiser off his hand, it should be to set a price that we are willing to pay. If we get raised, hopefully it is just a min. raise so we can call, which is what I'd expect from someone who min. raises preflop.

I don't know if you ever have played UB actuary, but people min raise there like a job. It's stupid.

This hand could be argued slightly I suppose if hero had position, but he doesn't. He bets $6 on a paint turncard, which is a card that we should be including into villians preflop range. If anything, I'd c/f to a pot bet, or try and set my price on the turn and not make a bet trying to push him out.

but for the sake of being simple...bottom pair, no draw, I'll usually c/f this here on the flop..

- Jordan

No, but calling in position after you min raise preflop I think is just wrong. First off a min raise preflop is incredibly noobish...if I raise preflop, and am bet into on that flop, I'll raise his lead bet all day from 3x to 4x because it's my pot. You need to protect it.

Just calling there is bad I think regardless if he has QQ or AK. The only way I just call on that flop with say a set is if I have a specific read that he is an agg. player who likes to bet.

People I play with that like to min. raise PF but then just call down med. size bets on flops/turns tells me that they are somewhat passive, but can't fold/raise hands. You usually can get all their chips eventually when you are fortunate enough to catch a big hand against their min. raise preflop.

the guy said he bet to push him out...in my opinion, that's not going to work enough times against this kind of opponent to be profitable. What may work is betting to mark your price. If done right this can work well to your advantage in no limit...especially at these lower limits where people raise less and simply call more. But if checked to, who knows, maybe he'll throw out a pot sized bet and then what? You have to fold your poor hand.

Yea he said he had no read, but any time I see a min. raise preflop I can already start to define my player.

- Jordan