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Preflop: Hero is MP2 with T:spade:, J:diamond:.
UTG calls, 2 folds, BB checks.

Flop: (4.40 SB) A:club:, 4:heart:, J:heart: (4 players)
BB checks, UTG bets, Hero folds..


Ok, I realize this preflop call is really loose. This table usually had 6-8 limpers on average with a preflop raise percentage of zilch (rarely). Now, keep in mind I'm new to limit. My pot odd counting ability is poor, half the time I think I have the odds to call when i don't and vice-versa. So, is folding this flop really weak? Is it an easy call/raise? Any explanation would be greatly appreciated!

good fold on the flop. bad call before the flop.

It's most definately not a call.

It depends on the texture of your table. First of all, you know that limp was iffy. Even with a loose-passive table, you are likely to be dominated and aren't even suited. Don't limp with JTo in early position ever. That aside...

I say raise. Become the aggressor to see where you are in the hand. If it is 3-bet you can call and fold to aggression on the turn if you don't improve. If it is called and checked to you on the turn, bet out.

JTs is one of the most overplayed hands in holdem... and JTo even worse so.

Remember, it's a suited connector, for late position multiway pots. Not something you want to be playing for "2nd pair no kicker" situations.

The preflop call isn't even marginally bad. It's pretty bad.

raising isnt good here. utg has an ace most of the time, remember he called being first to act and then bet out on that flop, that exactly how you would play Ax. you have no draws, and your kicker isnt that good. you have to worry about the flush draw too. finally, the pot is small. just let it go.

oh yea and you got 2 people to act behind you. now, none of these things i listed are good things. you still like middle pair no draw in this situation?

i'm not even playing this 6-8 handed in your position..fold this preflop dude..it will save you a lot of money in the long run....if your an aggressive player than maybe a c/r on the flop....but only if you think UTG will fold...which is about 1% of the time so just let it go dude..pot is so small and stop playing J 10 offsuit...

Great replies fellas. I guess this is a clear fold on the flop (unless I want to get frisky, but I'm not good enough for that yet!). I've also realized that this is a poor preflop call. It's not something i do regurlarly, so I'm not too worried. I'll stop calling with trash in EP-MP

if it was j10s i would have limped it too...j10o is an easy fold

I echo so much of this.
You don't have the imlpied odds even to play TJ off.
You won't hit a str8 often enough and most top pairs, you'll either get no action or be domniated.

Speedz..I think this is a clear fold on the flop.
THere's 2 to a flush, we dont have an over card, the pot is smallish, two cards in action zone,...

Great replies fellas. I guess this is a clear fold on the flop


I'm raising this flop every time, folding to a three-bet, folding to a turn lead, betting out if checked to on a non heart/non overcard turn.

Folding pre-flop lets you avoid having to play marginal hands like this, though.

Playing this hand on this flop is hard. Poker is generally easy. Don't make it hard.

good luck.

Well, you've chosen to play this preflop. What did you expect to flop ? QKA rainbow ?

I don't play that preflop (unless in the blinds), but if you choose to play that preflop, you must be ready to play it postflop ! You don't call that to fold it if it hits. Hence, raise your pair of 10. Chances that someone else has one are slim. If the bettor has one, he'll fold thinking you have an ace. If he has an ace... well you'll know it soon enough. Fold to any agression afterwards.

wow...first time I've disagreed and felt (at least for now) confidently is dissention. I just think the pot is too small, board sux for us, players left to act.
Then again, I play TJ off from Button against 4 players in a generally passive/loose game all the time. I wonder if I'm giving up too easily when I flop a similar hand or playing to loose pf.

A high average VPIP doesn't make 10joff a profitable limp. It makes 10Js a profitable limp.

People limping with a suited krablar are better off in a large multiway pot than you are.

VINDICATION BAYBEE!!!

You're both wrong
It happens.
Move on.

i disagree heavily, except for the "folding preflop lets you avoid this.... playing this hand is hard, don't make it hard...".

i think this situation has decent RIO.

i think i'd need a pretty solid read on UTG to make this raise.

aseem

p.s. i found this extermely interesting; "I'm raising this flop everytime, folding to a three-bet..." you'd be getting 9-to-1 on one small bet. you don't peel? i think folding to a three-bet without a read is somewaht tight, but if UTG is aggressive (not necessarily maniacal, but for example capable of three-betting a weak suited ace here), folding to a three-bet getting 9-to-1 is a little bad.