Advice appreciated about different ways to play this hand:

It's 3-6 limit and I'm on the button. It's folded around to the guy 2 off the button. He raises. I noticed that he likes to raise from late-middle if no one has entered the pot, so I put him on a steal attempt. I've got AT suited (hearts) and I decide to reraise and make it three bets.

The BB (a loose player) thinks awhile and calls the three bets, as does the original raiser.

Flop comes A-8-3 (one heart) rainbow.

Bet from the BB, Original raiser folds, I raise, BB reraises, I call.

Turn comes K (non heart).

BB bets, I call. I've seen this guy call with junk and generally play a loose pre-flop game and take marginal hands to the river. Though I think I'm behind, I realise that he could easily have a straight draw or middle pair.

River comes an Ace, no flush possibility.

In my mind, the odds he has a better ace have dwindled substantially, so when he bets, I raise and he calls.

He shows me 8-3 offsuit. I was stupified that he could call three bets from the BB with that hand. He got an extrememly lucky flop and I was fortunate to catch a good card on the river.

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After this hand, this guy played every hand - every one. He rarely folded and bet the river with nothing several times.

That put a big target on his forehead, as I bided my time waiting for my opportunity. The only problem was that he was two seats to my left, i.e. he had position on me most of the time.

I finally skewered him on a hand where I picked up pocket tens. With two limpers, I raised and he called (with 4-9 as it turned out). He caught trip fours on the flop and I considered folding my tens after a Q-4-4 flop after he raised my bet, while the other two players called, but the pot was already sizeable. Luckily for me, I hit my ten on the turn and got into a raising war with him (pushing the other two players out). The river was a king, but I discounted the possibility that he had KK or QQ and bet out. Raise, reraise, call (on his part). And my boat took it down.

what is your question?

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Could you make a condensed version w/ a few player notes or something?

Only reason I say it is because you will get better responses that way.

Allow me to translate:



"I'd like validation of my donkish play so that I can continue to play like a donkey and lose money without feeling badly about it."



"I like to raise hands that play well multiway, but pretty poorly heads up so I can get them heads up"



"Someone calls 2 bets cold out of position, this is forshadowing when he sucks out on me and I pay him off"



"Bingo, bango, bongo!! I have top pair with 4th best kicker and back door nut flush draw! I can hit runner runner to the nuts!!!"



"I raise my runner runner nut flush draw for value when the guy who called two cold in the BB preflop leads out. I consider capping it when he three-bets, but I want to keep my runner runner nut flush draw disguised! I'm tricky."



"Damn. I miss my runner runner nut flush draw. I am only drawing dead to around 70% of the hands that would call two clod in the BB though, so I figure I should raise him if he bets out"



"Like I was saying. Somehow I manage to resist the urge to raise realizing I'm probably crushed to two outs most of the time, and drawing dead the rest. I'm not sure how I did it. Man, I'm sneaky."



"I make trips!!!! Trips bay be!!!! Gingo gango gongo!!! Now I unleash the raising powah I've been sneakily keeping in reserve so far!!"




"The fool obviously didn't realize I had a backdoor nut flush draw on the flop when he three-bet me."



"Later, I sucked out on the same guy again!! A 20 to 1 two outer this time bay be!!! I am king of donkeys!!!! KING OF DONKIES!!!!!!! BOW TO ME!!!!

Thankyou Smash.

Where did you learn donk-speak? I tried enrolling in night classes but all they had was "How to be an eagle and count your blessings" classes...

I get Smash's funny interpretations but who was the bigger donkey? The guy who played terrible hands like 8 3 and 9 4 to raises. Or the guy who had quality hands (A-10 thou not to a raise) and 10-10. I'm confused sure he was behind on both flops but most limit hands are played to the river, which is why the dominating pre-flop hands are better to play? Should he just fold to a maniac pre-flop because they aren't the "best" hands? Shouldn't you take into account the other players tendancies?

I get Smash's funny interpretations but who was the bigger donkey? The guy who played terrible hands like 8 3 and 9 4 to raises. Or the guy who had quality hands (A-10 thou not to a raise) and 10-10. I'm confused sure he was behind on both flops but most limit hands are played to the river, which is why the dominating pre-flop hands are better to play?


Wow.

You must be just horrible at limit.

Or was it a cunning joke I missed?

No joke.... Who is the bigger donkey?
On a tight table those might be bad plays but on a very loose one?
Please explain how the hands should have been played....
Fold pre-flop two bets with A-10 suited always even at a loose table?

LOL

No joke.... Who is the bigger donkey?
On a tight table those might be bad plays but on a very loose one?
Please explain how the hands should have been played....
Fold pre-flop two bets with A-10 suited always even at a loose table?


The ATs hand is grossly overplayed on every street. It's so much funnier of a hand if the BB has AK.

Calling a raise on a Q44 flop with an underpair should go into the donkey hall of fame without further comment.

[quote=Smasharoo]Allow me to translate:

[quote]
Advice appreciated about different ways to play this hand:
[/quote]

"I'd like validation of my donkish play so that I can continue to play like a donkey and lose money without feeling badly about it."

[quote]
It's 3-6 limit and I'm on the button. It's folded around to the guy 2 off the button. He raises. I noticed that he likes to raise from late-middle if no one has entered the pot, so I put him on a steal attempt. I've got AT suited (hearts) and I decide to reraise and make it three bets.
[/quote]

"I like to raise hands that play well multiway, but pretty poorly heads up so I can get them heads up"

[quote]
The BB (a loose player) thinks awhile and calls the three bets, as does the original raiser.
[/quote]

"Someone calls 2 bets cold out of position, this is forshadowing when he sucks out on me and I pay him off"

[quote]
Flop comes A-8-3 (one heart) rainbow.
[/quote]

"Bingo, bango, bongo!! I have top pair with 4th best kicker and back door nut flush draw! I can hit runner runner to the nuts!!!"

[quote]
Bet from the BB, Original raiser folds, I raise, BB reraises, I call.
[/quote]

"I raise my runner runner nut flush draw for value when the guy who called two cold in the BB preflop leads out. I consider capping it when he three-bets, but I want to keep my runner runner nut flush draw disguised! I'm tricky."

[quote]
Turn comes K (non heart).
[/quote]

"Damn. I miss my runner runner nut flush draw. I am only drawing dead to around 70% of the hands that would call two clod in the BB though, so I figure I should raise him if he bets out"

[quote]
BB bets, I call. I've seen this guy call with junk and generally play a loose pre-flop game and take marginal hands to the river. Though I think I'm behind, I realise that he could easily have a straight draw or middle pair.
[/quote]

"Like I was saying. Somehow I manage to resist the urge to raise realizing I'm probably crushed to two outs most of the time, and drawing dead the rest. I'm not sure how I did it. Man, I'm sneaky."

[quote]
River comes an Ace, no flush possibility.

In my mind, the odds he has a better ace have dwindled substantially, so when he bets, I raise and he calls.
[/quote]

"I make trips!!!! Trips bay be!!!! Gingo gango gongo!!! Now I unleash the raising powah I've been sneakily keeping in reserve so far!!"


[quote]
He shows me 8-3 offsuit. I was stupified that he could call three bets from the BB with that hand. He got an extrememly lucky flop and I was fortunate to catch a good card on the river.
[/quote]

"The fool obviously didn't realize I had a backdoor nut flush draw on the flop when he three-bet me."

[quote]
After this hand, this guy played every hand - every one. He rarely folded and bet the river with nothing several times.

That put a big target on his forehead, as I bided my time waiting for my opportunity. The only problem was that he was two seats to my left, i.e. he had position on me most of the time.

I finally skewered him on a hand where I picked up pocket tens. With two limpers, I raised and he called (with 4-9 as it turned out). He caught trip fours on the flop and I considered folding my tens after a Q-4-4 flop after he raised my bet, while the other two players called, but the pot was already sizeable. Luckily for me, I hit my ten on the turn and got into a raising war with him (pushing the other two players out). The river was a king, but I discounted the possibility that he had KK or QQ and bet out. Raise, reraise, call (on his part). And my boat took it down.
[/quote]

"Later, I sucked out on the same guy again!! A 20 to 1 two outer this time bay be!!! I am king of donkeys!!!! KING OF DONKIES!!!!!!! BOW TO ME!!!![/quote]

You won't get paid by being a translator.

Do you see why?

Thanks for the reply.

Yeah the second hand I totally agree with. I would have folded to the raise too. But the first hand intrigues me a little cause I might have played it the same way with the back door flush draw. Especially if this player had previously shown himself to be a maniac. I would prefer it heads up tho.
Does anyone else think the A-10 play was ok to a maniac or would eveyone else just fold it pre-folp?

I would prefer it heads up tho.
Does anyone else think the A-10 play was ok to a maniac or would eveyone else just fold it pre-folp?


I wouldn't fold it preflop.

I wouldn't three-bet it though.

The problem with this is "the other two players called"....one of them has a queen probably. Are you getting 20 to 1 on your money? If not, fold this crap. You definitely misplayed this post-flop

I hope this wasn't an attempt to be funny. It wasn't.

I was getting 15-1 on the flop call with TT.

I suppose it is a loose call. I would expect one of the other two players to reraise the maniac if they had a Q though (based on my previous observations).

The three-bet of the AT suited was based on the idea that I had a better hand than the original raiser (based on my read of his raise as a steal attempt), and likely better than two random hands in the blinds.

Quote:

He shows me 8-3 offsuit. I was stupified that he could call three bets from the BB with that hand. He got an extrememly lucky flop and I was fortunate to catch a good card on the river.

"The fool obviously didn't realize I had a backdoor nut flush draw on the flop when he three-bet me."

The funniest part.

I laughed.

what's wrong with this logic?

The three-bet of the AT suited was based on the idea that I had a better hand than the original raiser (based on my read of his raise as a steal attempt), and likely better than two random hands in the blinds.

I'll play Smash.

AT suited plays fanatastically multiway.


ps. No translation comes if the dude wasn't so elaborate in his "I"m better, this palyer sux" ..it's a bit tongue in cheek

i know ATs plays fantastically multi-way, but at most the hero was getting two more callers.

Especially if hero puts the villain on a steal attempt, what's wrong with raising if you think you have the better hand.

I'm stuck on the logic of if all the cards were face up on the table, what would you do. I think the hero has the better hand right now so isn't it correct to raise.

Especially if hero puts the villain on a steal attempt, what's wrong with raising if you think you have the better hand.


There are people to act after you and your hand really kind of sucks against any capping hand.

Being in for 4 bets with ATs is much less exciting than being in for 4 bets with, say 77.

You don't isolate with easily dominated hands that are hard to play postflop when you flop top pair.

You do isolate with easily dominated hands that aren't hard to play postflop when you flop an overpair.

Like, 99, say. Three-betting 99 here is much better than three-betting ATs.

do you see why?

good luck.

I'm stuck on the logic of if all the cards were face up on the table, what would you do. I think the hero has the better hand right now so isn't it correct to raise.


Of course you'd raise if you knew for certain you had the best hand. Be a pretty easy game if you allways knew what everyone else had. Happening to be right doesn't make a play correct.

That's important.

good luck.