Party Poker 1/2 Hold'em (10 handed) converter

Preflop: Actuary is CO with Kc, Ac.
UTG raises, BB calls, UTG calls, MP3 calls.

Flop: (12.50 SB) 8c, 2h, 9h (4 players)
BB checks, UTG bets, BB folds, UTG calls, MP3 calls.

Turn: (9.25 BB) 8d (3 players)
UTG bets, MP3 calls, Actuary calls.

River: (12.25 BB) Kd (3 players)
UTG bets, MP3 calls, Actuary calls.

Final Pot: 15.25 BB

fold the flop, fold the turn, raise the river.

He raised PF. if he had limped, I can see the flop raise.

On the turn you are getting 10 to 1 to call, which would be fine if you had clean outs, but you are not 100% sure what you are drawing to.

On the river, you hit your card. I seriously doubt he has an 8. raise for value. You'll get shown TT here a lot.
Calling is not bad against an agressive opponent, since you are forced to fold to a 3 bet. If he will 3 bet bluff more than 1 in 12 times, a call would be correct.

let me put in the reads:

UTG: Lag
MP3: super LP (55% vpip)

but only 20 hands..

so not much of a read, nm

you're a fish

fold the flop


Fold the flop getting 13 to 1?

Put the fucking crack pipe down.

The flop raise is STANDARD kids.

Folding the turn's a little more reasonable, but I think this line is fine.

good luck.

Enough of a read, you're playing these players you gotta puke a little in your mouth and overcall this.

Regarding the rest of the hand... There's nothing wrong with any of it.

Definitely shouldnt fold the flop, i'd probably call or raise the flop as well... Great turn lead by UTG assuming he has the overpair, possibly a good time to fold in the hand since you're not so happy if the Ah or Kh comes making a possible flush.

The flop raise is NOT standard because of MP3's call.

YES, this does increase your pot odds, but it SIGNIFICANTLY decreases your odds to win the hand.

If it were heads up, the flop raise is fine.
3 handed, a call is okay, but a raise is ridiculous.



Good luck.

YES, this does increase your pot odds, but it SIGNIFICANTLY decreases your odds to win the hand.


Of course it doesn't.

For a laugh, though, explain your flawed reasoning.

Thanks.

If it were heads up, the flop raise is fine.
3 handed, a call is okay, but a raise is ridiculous.


You're digging yourself a hole a bit here, your reasoning is contradicting.

Oh and... Smash, Stop being a doucheclown. When you gonna be in LA Again?

haven't read replies, but i'm proud of you.

nice hand.

aseem

Should this river be raised? It looks like UTG has JJ, TT, or missed overs (hearts), while MP3 is probably donating with a missed Ax or Kx. I suspect Actuary is good more than 1/3 of the time here. The hands UTG might have that beat us are A8s, 99, and K9s.

lol.

i wish i got this kind of respect. then i could start raising, oh i don't know, any non-pair hand and take down the pot with one bet every time i miss the flop.

aseem

Been meaning to ask you this, but it slipped my mind. I see this in some of your posts...




What's that have to do with anything? Flawed reasoning?

but, but, but... we only have ace high!!

why are you bluffing calling stations!!




hey, i thought about this too.

i would feel that i'm definitely drawing to at least four, and the other two hearts might be a little dirty. so with 4-ish outs, it's somewhat borderline.

but, i feel that with actuary's reads, this is a +EV call on the turn. i'm not sure why exactly. i feel like we're drawing to more outs when we have less evidence to believe someone is on a flush draw or has A9.

aseem

if i mention something that's been fought about over seven posts, i have an excuse.

nah, mostly just to point out that my reply is unbiased as of yet.

i don't like reading replies and seeing that the popular consensus is "fold the turn" or something. i conform too easily then and find myself not really thinking for myself.

plus, there's a decent amount of bad advice in some threads, and i would hate to reaffirm that bad advice if i read it and it just stuck.

aseem

i thought about this too, good question.

it's a close value raise, but it's a little dangerous on the paired board.

aseem

First consider the range of hands that open raise PF from UTG.
Then consider which of these hands call a 3 bet then lead the flop.

ok.

before i do that, though, let's play a game.

we're going to play heads-up limit, no cap.

i raise, you reraise, i reraise, you reraise, i reraise, you reraise, i reraise, you reraise, i reraise, you reraise, i reraise, and you finally call out of frustration.

you have kings, by the way.

the flop comes all rags. i turn over my pocket aces face-up and bet.

obviously you should fold, right? i mean, forget what range of hands i have here--i HAVE YOU BEAT.

aseem

What's that have to do with anything? Flawed reasoning?


I'd imagine so when he posts exactly what I did, it's clear we just agree as opposed to him being a filthy synchophant.