WonderfulSplash
Monday, October 3rd, 2005, 1:02 PM
Villain is Tag. His range of hands he raises from the sb is pretty slim.
Party Poker 0.50/1 Hold'em (6 max, 6 handed)
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Preflop: Hero is BB with [Jd], [Tc].
1 fold, Hero calls, MP calls.
Flop: (6 SB) [Kh], [Qc], [Qs]
(3 players)
SB bets, Hero calls, MP folds.
Turn: (4 BB) [Ac]
(2 players)
SB checks,
Hero bets, Hero calls.
River: (12 BB) [5d]
(2 players)
SB bets, Hero calls.
Final Pot: 14 BB
speedz99
Monday, October 3rd, 2005, 1:07 PM
Turn Spewage?
Yes. Only hand you beat here is AK. AA KK QQ AQ KQ all play this hand the same exact way. I say call down from the c/r.
hotbacon
Monday, October 3rd, 2005, 1:08 PM
if he's TAG/thinking, he isn't going to check the turn without a boat, since there's a gutshot out there.
Bubba83
Monday, October 3rd, 2005, 1:10 PM
I think it's spewage, but at the lower limits its hard to tell sometimes. He could just have AK i suppose. I don't want to look too deep into this hand, i'd rather make a guess at what he holds. My guess: KK!
How'd I do?
WonderfulSplash
Monday, October 3rd, 2005, 1:17 PM
QUOTE (Bubba83)
I think it's spewage, but at the lower limits its hard to tell sometimes. He could just have AK i suppose. I don't want to look too deep into this hand, i'd rather make a guess at what he holds. My guess: KK!
How'd I do?
Close, AA.
Bubba83
Monday, October 3rd, 2005, 1:19 PM
I didn't think he'd check raise AA on the turn, damn!
speedz99
Monday, October 3rd, 2005, 1:28 PM
QUOTE (Bubba83)
I didn't think he'd check raise AA on the turn, damn!
Like I said, at microlimits that turn is being checkraised by any full boat. Checking into such a big turn after preflop and flop aggression is a dead giveaway. I tried doing that to Keith at a strat table, and his reaction was along the lines of, "Who do you think you're playing with here?" Lol.
screech
Monday, October 3rd, 2005, 1:39 PM
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Villain is Tag. His range of hands he raises from the sb is pretty slim.
I'm probably folding PF then.
I'm definetly not raising the turn. His c/r of the turn means he is not scared of the two queens on board. Given your description of the villian, that means he probably has AA-QQ, AQ/KQ.
WonderfulSplash
Monday, October 3rd, 2005, 2:16 PM
QUOTE (screech)
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Villain is Tag. His range of hands he raises from the sb is pretty slim.
I'm probably folding PF then.
You've found one of my biggest leaks Ive been working on. Looking back this is a terrible call.
Actuary
Monday, October 3rd, 2005, 3:05 PM
I fold this pf and quick like against taggy or almost any..non-maniac
but since you played it...
just call the turn c/r, call the river, getting 4:1 effective
He might have AK, QJs often enough... I don't know.
Maybe a turn fold is ok if you have a super-duper read.
Rokuban
Tuesday, October 4th, 2005, 5:29 AM
QUOTE (WonderfulSplash)
QUOTE (screech)
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Villain is Tag. His range of hands he raises from the sb is pretty slim.
I'm probably folding PF then.
You've found one of my biggest leaks Ive been working on. Looking back this is a terrible call.
Huge leak. There are very few hands you play against a TAG raise, even in position. QJo isn't one of them. Neither is QJs. Even KQs is not playable, unless multiway. AQ is debatable.
screech
Tuesday, October 4th, 2005, 6:18 AM
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Neither is QJs. Even KQs is not playable, unless multiway. AQ is debatable.
I really hope you're playing all these hands from the blinds here.
I would gladly play something like 78s here.
Rokuban
Tuesday, October 4th, 2005, 6:49 AM
QUOTE (screech)
I really hope you're playing all these hands from the blinds here.
I would gladly play something like 78s here.
Yes, I do play all of those from the BB. I'm not a bad poker player, but I can't read. Disregard my post.
WonderfulSplash
Tuesday, October 4th, 2005, 5:45 PM
QUOTE (Rokuban)
QUOTE (screech)
I really hope you're playing all these hands from the blinds here.
I would gladly play something like 78s here.
Yes, I do play all of those from the BB. I'm not a bad poker player, but I can't read. Disregard my post.
Had me worried there...
Bubba83
Wednesday, October 5th, 2005, 4:07 AM
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Like I said, at microlimits that turn is being checkraised by any full boat. Checking into such a big turn after preflop and flop aggression is a dead giveaway. I tried doing that to Keith at a strat table, and his reaction was along the lines of, "Who do you think you're playing with here?" Lol.
Yeah honestly, what is his check supposed to represent on the turn? That he raised from the SB with K J and is afraid of the ace now? Right......... He's gotta have AA KK QQ AK AQ or KQs.
Smasharoo
Wednesday, October 5th, 2005, 5:00 AM
Preflop call sucks.
good luck.
Demiparadigm
Wednesday, October 5th, 2005, 5:12 AM
QUOTE (Smasharoo)
Preflop call sucks.
good luck.
BS.
Getting 5 to 1 you are not a 5 to 1 dog against any hand in HE.
Your only problem is "reverse inplied odds" which are rare with JT(Since you are rarely paying off a better hand), though this hand is a good example.
The turn cap is fine.
A river raise would be spewage.
I can not believe that anyone who plays above 5/10 and would not call here with JTo is a winning player.
A fold is fine in 2/4 and below.
Good luck.
Smasharoo
Wednesday, October 5th, 2005, 5:32 AM
Your only problem is "reverse inplied odds" which are rare with JT(Since you are rarely paying off a better hand), though this hand is a good example.
No, your problem is the vast number of hands you make second best hands to and pay off 4 BB chasing your 1SB preflop.
Do you see why?
I can not believe that anyone who plays above 5/10 and would not call here with JTo is a winning player.
Yeah it's a mystery to me, too. I keep whacking my monitor hoping PT will show me below 3.5 BB/100 at 10/20 six-max but it's still not happening.
good luck.
screech
Wednesday, October 5th, 2005, 6:27 AM
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Getting 5 to 1 you are not a 5 to 1 dog against any hand in HE.
Yeah, but this is not being contested HU.
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