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brando
(6 handed) FTR converter on zerodivide.cx

Preflop: Hero is BB with Q:diamond:, T:diamond:.
UTG calls, MP calls, 3 folds, Hero checks.

Flop: (3.50 SB) 9:heart:, J:heart:, 8:club: (3 players)
Hero bets, UTG calls, MP calls.

Turn: (6.25 BB) 8:spade: (3 players)
Hero bets, UTG calls, MP calls.

River: (9.25 BB) J:spade: (3 players)
Hero bets, MP folds, Hero ?

Pot is 12.25BB now.

Is this a standard bet/ fold? Pot to big?...that river blows me
jayboogie
Check/Call the river, of course your probably beat here, but there's a slight chance your hand is still good and with the pot so big, it's better to be safe and call it down.
Actuary
I vote fold.
I can't imagine you are wining > 8% here

unless there's a good read he's super agg
jayboogie
See, that's the problem with betting in the first place, I just don't see what hands are paying you off on this board, if he has a flush draw, he folds. If he has a 9, I think he may fold that too. If he has a Jack, he's obviously raising.

If you check, you may induce a bluff from a missed flush draw or even a desperate bet to steal the pot with a pair of 9's. I think the pot's too big to fold, so showing this hand down cheaply is what I'd do.
brando
QUOTE (jayboogie)
See, that's the problem with betting in the first place, I just don't see what hands are paying you off on this board, if he has a flush draw, he folds. If he has a 9, I think he may fold that too. If he has a Jack, he's obviously raising.

If you check, you may induce a bluff from a missed flush draw or even a desperate bet to steal the pot with a pair of 9's. I think the pot's too big to fold, so showing this hand down cheaply is what I'd do.


Sometimes I hate multi-tabling, I don't get to think everything through. This makes since and check/call is prolly best. I honestly have no clue as any hand that raises the river that I can beat, I can't even think of one. I don't know how good check/call is either...still lost
JaysonWeber
Sometimes I hate multi-tabling, I don't get to think everything through.

You don't think through a double paired board.. you check/call, or check/fold
brando
QUOTE (JaysonWeber)
Sometimes I hate multi-tabling, I don't get to think everything through.

You don't think through a double paired board.. you check/call, or check/fold


HA! I thought, problem was it was for 0.15397 seconds and bet/fold came to mind.

So

bet/fold - bad?
check/fold > check/call?
screech
I'm usually checking this river. No worse hands are calling a bet.
brando
QUOTE (screech)
I'm usually checking this river. No worse hands are calling a bet.


Do you call a bet?
Actuary
check/call - catch a missed FD.

its close with c/f

my original fold line was if you bet first
Blumonkey
I'm check folding this river. MP more than likely missed his flush hence the fold and UTG filled up or caught quads in there. There is a very slight possibilty hes has the same hand you have and wants you to think he has the boat. Thats a readyou have to make and since you were multi tabling and your lack of time as you put it I would fold.
KDawgCometh
people on this site are way too in love with bet/fold. this is an easy check/call and a close check/fold. You gain absolutely nothing by bet/folding
brando
QUOTE (KDawgCometh)
people on this site are way too in love with bet/fold. this is an easy check/call and a close check/fold. You gain absolutely nothing by bet/folding


I know bet/fold was the worst option I could have picked, like I said I wasn't really thinking. So are c/f and c/c so close it doesn't matter?
KDawgCometh
QUOTE (brando)
QUOTE (KDawgCometh)
people on this site are way too in love with bet/fold. this is an easy check/call and a close check/fold. You gain absolutely nothing by bet/folding


I know bet/fold was the worst option I could have picked, like I said I wasn't really thinking. So are c/f and c/c so close it doesn't matter?




no, it does matter, I just think that in the heat of the moment, I'm check/calling and hating myself for it
jayboogie
You can afford to make the call when the pot's this big, against a player who never bluffs and plays incredibly straight forward, maybe you can fold it, but just about any player may feel inclined to take a shot at the pot when shown weakness, so calling down is usually the best play given that your hand has a slight chance of still being good.
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