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Preflop: Hero is SB with K:club:, 6:club:.
2 folds, Button calls, Hero completes, BB checks.

Flop: (3 SB) T:diamond:, K:heart:, Q:diamond: (3 players)
Hero bets, BB calls, Button calls.

Turn: (3 BB) 2:club: (3 players)
Hero bets, Hero ?

second hand at table, no reads

I'd call it down. In a shorthanded game, top pair has a lot of showdown value. He could be making this raise with a flush draw, straight draw, even middle pair sometimes.

[quote="brando"](5 handed) FTR converter on zerodivide.cx

Preflop: Hero is SB with K:club:, 6:club:.
2 folds, Button calls, Hero completes, BB checks.

Flop: (3 SB) T:diamond:, K:heart:, Q:diamond: (3 players)
Hero bets, BB calls, Button calls.

Turn: (3 BB) 2:club: (3 players)
Hero bets, Hero ?

second hand at table, no reads[/quote



Every folds to the button and he just calls. That would seem to rule out AA, KK, QQ, AK, KQ, KJ, AJ, and 10 10. He could have K 10, or the lower straight flopped, but he could also just be making a play at the pot with a big draw, like pair and straight draw, pair and flush draw, etc.

I would three bet the turn. If he caps, check call river. If he just calls, bet call river on a safe card, check call again if it is a really scary river card..

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[quote="Blink20"][quote=brando](5 handed) FTR converter on zerodivide.cx

Preflop: Hero is SB with K:club:, 6:club:.
2 folds, Button calls, Hero completes, BB checks.

Flop: (3 SB) T:diamond:, K:heart:, Q:diamond: (3 players)
Hero bets, BB calls, Button calls.

Turn: (3 BB) 2:club: (3 players)
Hero bets, Hero ?

second hand at table, no reads[/quote



Every folds to the button and he just calls. That would seem to rule out AA, KK, QQ, AK, KQ, KJ, AJ, and 10 10. He could have K 10, or the lower straight flopped, but he could also just be making a play at the pot with a big draw, like pair and straight draw, pair and flush draw, etc.

I would three bet the turn. If he caps, check call river. If he just calls, bet call river on a safe card, check call again if it is a really scary river card..

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Are you serious about 3-betting the turn? What do you get out of doing this? I'm pretty damn certain if you get called your beat and your not folding a better hand either, 3-betting the turn is chip spewing.

[quote="jayboogie"][quote=Blink20][quote=brando](5 handed) FTR converter on zerodivide.cx

Preflop: Hero is SB with K:club:, 6:club:.
2 folds, Button calls, Hero completes, BB checks.

Flop: (3 SB) T:diamond:, K:heart:, Q:diamond: (3 players)
Hero bets, BB calls, Button calls.

Turn: (3 BB) 2:club: (3 players)
Hero bets, Hero ?

second hand at table, no reads[/quote



Every folds to the button and he just calls. That would seem to rule out AA, KK, QQ, AK, KQ, KJ, AJ, and 10 10. He could have K 10, or the lower straight flopped, but he could also just be making a play at the pot with a big draw, like pair and straight draw, pair and flush draw, etc.

I would three bet the turn. If he caps, check call river. If he just calls, bet call river on a safe card, check call again if it is a really scary river card..

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Are you serious about 3-betting the turn? What do you get out of doing this? I'm pretty damn certain if you get called your beat and your not folding a better hand either, 3-betting the turn is chip spewing.[/quote]


There's plenty of hands raising the turn that would call a three bet, that hero beats.

As you said, [quote]He could be making this raise with a flush draw, straight draw, even middle pair sometimes.[/quote]

I would much rather make him pay for making a move, other than falling back into check calling mode. Shorthanded game, your kings are good there more often than not, no reason not to push the edge, especially given that a lot of hands that crush the hero, really don't make sense for the villian to be holding since villian just limped on the button.


Edit: Another thing I forgot to mention is that the more likely hands that are ahead, are hands like K 9 and lower, in which case we have many outs for a split if we are behind. Like I said, the other hands aren't as likely unless you have a read on the villian to limp with strong hands in this type of situation.

Why would you ever 3bet? You're usually behind. The times that you _are_ ahead because he's semi bluffing a draw though, 3betting is still not so great. The times he makes his draw, you lose 3 bets on the turn and one or two on the river. The times he misses his draw, you win 3 on the turn, but none on the river. If you just called the bet when he was on a draw you only win 2 turn bets, but he will most likely throw out a bluff on the river with his busted draw giving you the same amount. Win the same when he misses, lose more when he hits.

You win just as much against a draw by calling down as you do by 3betting when he misses. You lose a lot more by 3betting when he hits.

When you 3bet and he has a superior made hand (the majority of the time), you lose 2 more than you have to.

The only times that this is a good 3bet is when he has a made hand that's worse than yours which is extremely rare.

I personally fold unless he's been extremely aggressive.

Since it's the button doing the stop 'n go, i'd look at it from his perspective. If he _was_ on a flush draw, wouldnt it be far better to raise the flop for a free turn and build a pot while you still have a strong draw against a large field? Especially with a caller in between. If he's just calling the flop in order to semi-bluff the turn, he's doing it knowing that the BB _probably_ will also be caught in between, making the semi bluff a horrible decision at that point.

Your thinking if flawed here. I'm saying the possibility is there that the button is making a play, but I wouldn't say it's the most likely scenario. The reason to call down is to showdown your hand which has a chance of being good.

If you 3-bet and it gets capped and assuming you call the river that gets bet by the button, your losing 3 big bets. If you 3-bet and your opponent was on a draw, you make 1 extra big bet assuming your opponent will probably fold the river UI. For this to be profitable, you need to be ahead of your opponent 75% of the time, with a pair of kings and a garbage kicker, I would say there's no way your ahead 75% of the time. Another advantage of check/calling is that you may induce a bluff by your opponent if he was on a draw in which case, you'd make the same money you would 3-betting the turn.