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Bubba83
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Preflop: Hero is BB with A:club:, Q:club:.
6 folds, Hero calls.

Flop: (4.50 SB) 4:club:, 7:heart:, A:heart: (2 players)
Hero checks, CO bets, Hero calls.

Turn: (3.25 BB) 9:spade: (2 players)
Hero checks, CO bets, Hero calls.

River: (9.25 BB) 8:diamond: (2 players)
Hero checks, CO bets, Hero calls.

Final Pot: 11.25 BB



I've played about 20 hands at this table and the CO is a player I've never seen before. He has seemed to be in a decent number of pots, and raising if he hits something without regard to if he could be beat. Of course, this perception of him is very shaky as I really haven't seen much yet.

I wakeup with what figures to be a monster in the BB, and I wait until the betting limits increase to get a raise in, I'm check raising for value on the turn, and he 3 bets it immediately. Does anyone think I should fold here? I use a standard call down after he 3 bets, and am shown A 9 offsuit by the CO. I get a bunch of these hands where I feel like my hand crushes a LP Preflop raiser, and when I check raise the turn like usual and am 3 bet, I am suddenly incredibly clueless about my opponents hand, dazed and confused, I usually call him down. What are your thoughts?
joeltebbutt
I would have bet the flop but apart from that it looks good
screech
I'd probably 3-bet PF, lead the flop, and go from there.

Given that you just called PF, I'm c/ring the flop. If you just call his flop bet and check the turn, you give a flush draw a free chance to outdraw you. I would like calling the flop a lot better if you had position because you would have the option of denying him that free card if he decided to check.

After CO, 3-bets the turn, I have to think he has at least 2 pair. Nevertheless, you're getting 9.25:1 to call the turn. If he has 2 pair you have at least 8 outs to outdraw him, maybe more. Also, he may not even have you beat. He could have a weaker hand like AJo, or a pair and a flush draw given your reads.

On the river, I think you played it fine. Once you're this far, you're calling for one more bet given the size of the pot. Regardless of how you got there, you're turn call after he 3-bet was correct, as was the river call.
Bubba83
Alright, next time I am out of position in this type of situation, I will try to come alive earlier for protection, instead of trying for value. It makes sense.

Let's go over some situations if I had 3 bet preflop:

I lead the flop, and he calls, then I bet the turn and he raises, then i call and check/call river i'm thinking?

I lead the flop, he raises:

1. I call, I check/call turn and river?
2. I 3 bet the flop and lead the turn, he raises, I call, check/call river.

Which do you think is best if he raises my flop bet? It's hard to surmise in hindsight I suppose.

I'm thinking if I know my opponent is likely to raise with anything just to take the lead back in the hand, then option 2 is better than option 1. But, if he's not that type of player, then option 1 might be better? Since I don't really know much about the player I think it's a questionable choice between the 2 options.
screech
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Let's go over some situations if I had 3 bet preflop:

I lead the flop, and he calls, then I bet the turn and he raises, then i call and check/call river i'm thinking?


Sounds good to me.

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I lead the flop, he raises:

1. I call, I check/call turn and river?
2. I 3 bet the flop and lead the turn, he raises, I call, check/call river.

Which do you think is best if he raises my flop bet? It's hard to surmise in hindsight I suppose.


I go with 3. :-)

3. Call the flop, lead the turn.

I do this for a few reasons. He could be raising the flop with a flush draw, and plan to check behind on the turn. If we 3-bet the flop and the flush draw hits, we put ourselves in a difficult spot. By calling the flop, and leading the turn, we deny him a free card. If a flush comes in, and he raises again, I seriously consider folding, but it's really read dependent. Also, this play may confuse our opponent. If he has a smaller pair, he may fold the turn if we 3-bet the flop. However, by calling the flop and leading the turn, our opponent may become suspicious and decide to call us down with his dubious holding.
Bubba83
Ah the old stop and go, i forgot about it completely, thanks for the advice, I like that play.
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