if theres already a thread about this i apologize, but i didnt see one

for those of you that didn't see it last night, they were down to 4 handed and i believe gazes was 2nd in chips. minh nguyen moved in on the button with jj, the amatuer in the small blind (i forget his name, webber something), made the call with 10s (nguyen had him outchipped), then gazes made the call for most of his chips with ak. I always believed that standard tournament play was to fold ak in this position, where he was calling off most of his stack where he had to know he was at best a coinflip, if not dominated by aa or kk, however gazes made the call, and both players flopped sets with 2TJ, and gazes failed to hit his queen. He went out shortly afterwards in 3rd place.

i think at this point folding the ak is a pretty easy fold, I dont know the exact chip counts before the hand began, but it seems like you either move up a spot or nguyen is crippled. Since he still has a good amount of chips it doesnt seem like it makes sense for him to race here.

didnt gazes come off kinda smug?? is that a word?? smug?? if its a word, then thats how he acted... :shock:

He's a chump. Anyone remember on the WPT when he took OVER two minutes to decide a raise? He was at the final with Antonio "Rocks and Rings, totally 1.4" Esfandiari.

But your right. I was playing a poker tourney at a bar and watched him call. What a dumb move. But what do I know? I only play 5-10.

J in Colo.

i wasn't paying that much attention, but i remember during that hand he came off as a bit smug, yes, because Nguyen was very surprised that gazes had made the call there with ak, and gazes acted smug in telling him i believe something like, "im getting 2-1 on my money with ak, i guess i just play bad"

I got nowhere close to that impression.
He played like a gentleman, and was more pleasant than most.

I thought it was a bad call. Minh completely called him out for it, which was pretty funny. At best he was up against AJ and a small pocket pair. I don't feel like running the odds, but I'm pretty sure that even if it was a correct call mathematically (assuming those circumstances), it wasn't optimal tourney play for the situation.

I thought he was going to spike a queen on the river. Minh's reaction would have been classic.

In my opinion it was an easy fold.

really? probably just me hating myself and taking it out on others again...back to therapy for me

i just ran ak vs aj vs 55, and ak is about 34% to win the hand, so in this case he would have odds to call, but he could be in a much worse spot than this

It was a bad call, though.

Probably that. He seemed ok to me. He like his hand and saw an opportunity. Not a great one, but it worked out earlier for him. I'd like to make passionate love to him and his girlfriend.

I have to disagree. If you are playing for first I think you could call there.
I also think that Minh Ngyuen was the one with a bad attitude. Wasn't Gazes getting pretty good odds on his money? Wouldn't you like to have enough chips to compete for the title?

Folding is OK here. But I don't think this is a bad call. According to Gazes,Nguyen was moving in every hand. If that is the case, then AK probably has his hand in bad shape. Kang's all in might also mean a weaker hand than usual under these circumstances.

Keep in mind that he had more chips than Kang and Nguyen. If he wins the hand he has knocked out two players. Most likely one of them will be knocked out anyway. If he folds, he is assured of third place. If he calls and loses he is still likely to get third place. If he calls and wins, he becomes a huge threat to win the bracelet.

His hand is very tricky in this spot. If he had less chips than the other two, then I'd fold. Since he had more chips, I like the call.

A very similar hand was played in the WPT event that Barry Greenstein won. Chip Reese moved in with K5 UTG, The amateur just called with QQ, and then Barry Greenstein moved in with AK and he had both of them covered. Fortunately for Barry, he made Aces full to win the hand. I think most of you would be less critical of Gazes if he had a similar flop.

he's getting good odds on his money if he knows for sure that he isnt up against AA or KK. From a comment he made he said that Nguyen was moving in a lot, so he could have put him on something like a weaker ace, but then when the next guy called off all his chips, fairly quickly I believe, then imo its time to fold

hurricane, even though he has both of them outchipped, he's basically putting his tournament life on the line here against 2 players with ak. sure he probably locks up 3rd place no matter what happens, but he probably accomplishes the same thing by folding

.5/.10

:-)

Crap I cross posted this in the tournament forum

I've been hopping around forums today specifically looking for this discussion because I liked the call and figured there'd be a lot of people that didn't.

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As I said in total bluff's thread:



Here's the 2+2 thread also on this.

Easy Fold, with the 2 players that were left, he would have been able to outplay them.


Yes, by the math he had the pot odds to call, but knowing how aggressive the other 2 players were, he could have played a tight 3 handed game and got it down to 2 players easy.

If he's trying to climb the money ladder, he folds there. If he's going for first, it's a decent call.

You can go either way to be honest. IMO he is taking a 33% chance to win at best or maybe worse, since he doesn't know the other 2 players holdings.

Now if he does win he will be I think at about 1,200,000 chips to Marks 1,700,000 chips.

To me a lot of it depends on what the ante and blinds situations were and the type of players that were left.

Does anybody know what the blinds and antes were at this point?