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Actuary
pretty simple hand here

table is tight
I play almost nothing.
Villan here has 11 hands on him.i don't data mine NL much..so..that's all I got.


Party Poker Pot-Limit Hold'em, $ BB (10 handed) converter

SB ($16.40)
BB ($20.10)
UTG ($16.65)
Actuary ($24.15)
UTG+2 ($5.25)
MP1 ($28.90)
MP2 ($25.40)
MP3 ($42.55)
CO ($15.40)
Button ($14.12)

Preflop: Actuary is UTG+1 with [As], [Kh]. SB posts a blind of $0.10.
UTG calls $0.25, Actuary raises to $1, BB calls $0.75, UTG folds.

Flop: ($2.35) [Td], [Js], [2h] (2 players)
BB bets $1.5...

just a quick critiqu would be appreciated.
I'd like to just deal with this street.
I'm trying to move beyond nut peddling; but have not had success yet.
allinbluff35
hero calls, c/f turn unimproved without a read
Actuary
QUOTE (allinbluff35)
hero calls, c/f turn unimproved without a read


are you saying my semi-bluff raise sux balls?
Or are you missing that action, or just replacing it with a better play?
It's not clear.

I usually do call, then c/f UI.
Trying a more aggressive play here.



thanks for opining, sir.
ChrisOfSpades
ok...let me ask you some questions:

even w/o a read, what kind of hands do you think BB might be leading out w/ here after flat-calling your raise?

why did you raise to $4 on the flop? (personally i dont like this raise. if you want to bluff you need to raise harder. that's only a $2.50 raise in a pot that's over $5.)
Actuary
the pot is $3.85.
Unless you are counting my "Call".
And I don't play PL so maybe that's normal to do that.

I tried to repesent an overpair, by betting the pot back at him.
My read was: "He thinks I missed with overs." If he comes over the top now, I fold, and say "nice, u caught me" (well, to myself at least).

I didn't want to raise more (and again, the nuances of PL are not in my skill set, so how this looks in PL, may be different) and make the pot more tempting for him to bluff at.

( remember I"m an idiot and thought this was NL...u all know the type!)
ChrisOfSpades
QUOTE (Actuary)
the pot is $3.85.
Unless you are counting my "Call".
And I don't play PL so maybe that's normal to do that.


PL or NL, always include your call if you are going to raise. when you say "bet the pot" it includes your call. so, in this particular hand, betting the pot on the flop would actually be: $3.85 + 1.50 + 5.35 (you're total bet is 6.85)

QUOTE
I tried to repesent an overpair, by betting the pot back at him.
My read was: "He thinks I missed with overs." If he comes over the top now, I fold, and say "nice, u caught me" (well, to myself at least).

I didn't want to raise more (and again, the nuances of PL are not in my skill set, so how this looks in PL, may be different) and make the pot more tempting for him to bluff at.

( remember I"m an idiot and thought this was NL...u all know the type!)


you hardly represent overpair w/ such a small raise. i think you can still raise more w/o quite potting it. on a bluff tho, i think potting is the best line, and you still have a gutshot and overcards in case he calls.

in this situation, i think he's betting w/ something like K10 and is trying to see if middle pair is any good. you have enough outs to just call here and try to improve on the turn. if you don't improve, fold to a bet or check behind.
Actuary
ChrisOfSpades

cool
that Bet Pot makes sense..in that by including the "call" it would require him to make a pot size call, not just a small call..I see the reason for the nomenclature.


My problem witrh just calling is, when a King comes on the turn and he leads out..say 1/2 pot...I freeze up. Am I against two pair? A slow set?...only a Queen makes this simple for me to play.
ChrisOfSpades
QUOTE (Actuary)
My problem witrh just calling is, when a King comes on the turn and he leads out..say 1/2 pot...I freeze up.  Am I against two pair? A slow set?...only a Queen makes this simple for me to play.


same thing could happen if he calls your flop raise, then leads the turn.

if you think you'll fold to a turn bet on any other card than a Q, better to just call the flop.
Actuary
QUOTE (ChrisOfSpades)
QUOTE (Actuary)
My problem witrh just calling is, when a King comes on the turn and he leads out..say 1/2 pot...I freeze up.  Am I against two pair? A slow set?...only a Queen makes this simple for me to play.


same thing could happen if he calls your flop raise, then leads the turn.

if you think you'll fold to a turn bet on any other card than a Q, better to just call the flop.



nah, I have to try to take it now.
I'm no good after that. laugh.gif

I panic!
ChrisOfSpades
QUOTE (Actuary)
QUOTE (ChrisOfSpades)
QUOTE (Actuary)
My problem witrh just calling is, when a King comes on the turn and he leads out..say 1/2 pot...I freeze up.  Am I against two pair? A slow set?...only a Queen makes this simple for me to play.


same thing could happen if he calls your flop raise, then leads the turn.

if you think you'll fold to a turn bet on any other card than a Q, better to just call the flop.



nah, I have to try to take it now.
I'm no good after that. laugh.gif

I panic!


then move all-in
oh, its PL
uh..........?
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