Limit 0.15/0.30 game
9 handed
I'm in small blind
Ad7h

preflop: 4 limpers, I compete my blind and big blind checks
3BB

flop: 3c 4h Ah
I bet, everyone calls
6BB

turn: [ 3c 4h Ah ] 10c
I bet again, 4 callers and button folds
11BB

river: [ 3c 4h Ah 10c ] 7d
I bet, big blind raises, one caller, I 3-bet, he caps and me and the other person call
23BB (22.5 due to rake)

big blind turn over 56 for the straight to beat my two pair.

Is this a bad beat or bad play (what should I have done differently?)

if you think getting beaten by an open-ender is a bad beat... i am speechless.

anyway, fold preflop.

the river three-bet is questionable (i'm not being results oriented), i would only do it in the more aggressive games. this is obviously a passive game, and 6-5 is a very real possibility for an open-ender, so i think the three-bet was slightly -EV.

anyway, future strat posts, delete the results.

aseem

17 to 1 pot odds and I should fold preflop???
and I guess I should have called it outdrawn or bad play.

Is this a bad beat or bad play (what should I have done differently?)

fold pf

oh, is sB, 10 cents ?
ok..complete is fin imo. I was ignorant of structure.
It's probably close either way.
Fold in a normal structure getting 12:1

sorry cant help with rest of hand

yeah, sb is 10 cents, so I was getting crazy odds to call

What odds were those?

Have you read SSHE?

4 limpers = 60cents
my sb = 10cents
bb = 15 cents

pot = 85 cents
I need to put 5cents in to complete my blind

so 17-1

where did I screw up?

well, it is just that you aren't turning your cards over after you complete your 5 cents. There is a hand to be played after that. You'll be in first position with a hand that could easily be dominated against so many limpers.

Try to speak in terms of big bets please. Cents and dollars can get cumbersome.

I'm trying to figure out if there's a place you can c/r to protect your hand.
But I'd be afraid a better kicker is out there. And at best you'd be heads up with outs to draw to a 7. Theres no guarantee that late pos will be the first better on the flop..so a c/r may just bloat the pot. Letting it get checked thru, or just calling a bet on the flop may be fine.

You might have a beter chance by c/r the turn to push out weak draws on a smallish pot..facing 2 cold.
I don't really know

nah, he's right guin. i didn't realize SB was 10 cents, or 2/3 the big blind.

in a $15/$30 game, there isn't a single hand you should be folding after two limpers (unless the big blind is a maniac), definitely not after three or four.

in that passive of a game, then, you played it fine. going for a c/r can be futile if it gets checked around.

aseem

I prefer the c/r here. Having the hand get checked around isn't a disaster. Just bet the turn if that happens.

open-enders still dont fold to a c/r here. tough to protect weak A's in a muti-way pot like this.

true
but weaker draws might.

Nicely played until the river where I'd just call instead of going 3 bets. I'd actually assume I'm beat by the straight when that 7 hits the river, but it's worth 1 more bet to call just in case the BB's got 2 pair or something like that.

but for that board, there werent many weak draws. flush draw is there too. c/r only makes it an easier call for those ppl. c/r also gives better odds for any weaker draws to call.

not unless they're already in for a bet. we only c/r if someone in late position opens.

in the general case, c/r if you get a bet from the person to yuor left, makes the field face two.
Yes, if the better is to yuor left, the c/r just builds a pot.

Unless you mean a c/r called by all on the flop, makes calling the turn easier..yes, I agree.

Check-Raising is not a good play here, the only time it's going to work to your benefit is if everybody misses the flop and the button decides to try and steal and you are able to protect your hand by raising, but even if this happens, there's no guarantee that somebody else in there doesn't have you beat. Your stuck in a sticky situation if you get a cold caller or if somebody 3bets.

Of course, if you bet out and everybody has nothing you might be able to pick the pot up right there anyways without the need to check-raise and risk more bets with a marginal holding.

You have a vulnerable hand that may or may not be the best hand, don't be fancy. You really have only a couple options here, one is to take the lead and bet to see where your at and the other is to check and decide from there whether to continue based on your opponents' actions. Personally, I'd favor betting out here if I'm going to continue with this hand, because I'd like to see where I'm at as early as possible in a multi-way pot. After getting 4 callers, I'd may be inclined to check/fold as I'd think somebody probably has me outkicked, but check/calling is not the worst thing you could do if you don't think anybody would raise.

only if late position opens and there are no callers in between. after a bet and one call, a c/r would make the pot 6 BB. with implied odds, a lotta ppl would call here even w/ just a gutshot. not saying its correct, but it happens.

i think yall are forgetting something....in limit..it is very rare that anybody is going to fold an open ender whether its to one or 2 bets...they usually arent bright enough to know the difference so they arent going to worry about odds...at a .15/.30 game nobody is going to fold it especially since its "only" 15 or 30 cents.

The hand was played well until the river...anytime somebody wakes up on the river imo calling is usually the right choice unless u have the absolute nuts...fish arent often tricky and arent going to try a river c/r bluff or any nonsense like that...

The point is if they check/call two cold, they're still taking the worst of it.

I would prefer check/raising a late position bettor, and check/calling an early position bettor and wait til the turn to evaluate how strong my hand is.

The river 3-bet was a bad idea, results-based thinking or not. I'm almost never going crazy on the river with just two pair.

As for bad beat vs. bad play, I don't think you played it ALL that bad. The bottom line is you flopped top pair with a weak ace in horrible position in a passive field that will pay off a lot and protect each others' draws. Those just aren't profitable situations.

Imagine how differently things are if the flop is K-7-7 rainbow instead, and you lead out the whole way.