Help - Search - Members - Calendar
Full Version: more 1/2 nl fun
FCP Poker Forum > Poker Strategy Forum > No Limit Texas Hold'em Cash Games
Jadaki
1/2 NL live game

Hero is BB with A icon_suit_spade.gif 10 icon_suit_spade.gif

A few limpers pre flop, SB raises to $10.00. Hero calls, MP 2 Calls, Button Calls.

Flop: 4 players ($44)

A icon_suit_heart.gif 10 icon_suit_club.gif 5 icon_suit_diamond.gif

SB Checks, Hero Bets 25.00, MP folds (after thinking about it), Button folds, SB Raises All-in (90.00 total), Hero...?

SB is my nephew and plays pretty TAG. I have him covered here, but only by about 45.00. His normal preflop raise with solid starting hands is 10-12, so his preflop raise doesn't really tell me anything. When he checkraises he usually has a very solid hand, but I am not sure what I can put him on here. My initial thought is AK, but I am not positive.

Is top two pair on a rainbow board with no real straight draws safe here? Easy call or painful muck?
KappaKid83
Well you have two problems here, what hand to put him on, and the fact that he is family. I dont like playing against my friends outside of their home game and I refuse to play with my family anywhere. But my first thought on his like holdings were either AQ, AK or 10's. Plus I think with how much money is already in the pot I think the best decision here is to call.

JEFF
cheetaking
I would guess that he was holding AK or AQ. You probably wouldn't be writing this topic unless you either called and lost or folded the winning hand, but the odds of him having AK or AQ are just too good to pass up. You can't lay down top 2 pair with 2:1 implied odds. This is an easy call.
guinevar
This is an easy call.

The only two hands you're concerned with are AA and 1010, which are possibilities, but most likely he'd play top or middle set slower. AQ or KK is much more likely.

I think it is also a donkey play with KK. So AQ or AK.
guinevar
QUOTE (cheetaking)
You can't lay down top 2 pair with 2:1 implied odds.


There are no implied odds. His family member is all in. He knows exactly how much money he'll be able to make if he calls.
shpaget
Call.

There is only one way he can have AA and only one way he can have TT.

I'm not worried about 55 here, but only 3 ways he can have this.

Hell, there's a better chance of him having AT than AA or TT.

8 ways he can have AK.
8 ways he can have AQ (although, I'm inclined to eliminate this one).

5 hands beat you (3 of them are less likely and leave you 4 outs)
4 hands tie you
8 hands you beat
cheetaking
QUOTE (guinevar)
QUOTE (cheetaking)
You can't lay down top 2 pair with 2:1 implied odds.


There are no implied odds. His family member is all in. He knows exactly how much money he'll be able to make if he calls.


Sorry, wrong wording...

He is giving you about 2:1 odds. The hands that beat you are Aces, 10s, and 5s. Other hands that he would push all-in with in this case include AK, AQ, and maybe even AJ. SO, with the odds the way they are, you should call unless you honestly think that he is 2 times more likely to have you beat than not. I still say it is an easy call.

If there is no straight or flush draw out there, he wouldn't push all-in with trip aces. Plus, in order for him to have aces or tens, he would have to have the last 2 in the deck. The odds of this are virtually nothing. 5's are possible, and this is the only hand I would really worry about.

You are going to be a huge favorite in this case at least 4 out of 5 times. It is just too likely that he has AK or AQ. You almost have to call in this case. If you are laying down top 2 pair with no straight or flush draws out there, you are playing way too conservative. If you are going to fold it, you better have a really good read on your opponent.
krup24
Easy Call Even Against ur Nephews AK
Jadaki
I put him on AK

I called, and I was wrong. He had pocket 10's.

MP 2 told me he folded an A so that left me the case ace in the deck as an out.

Him and I don't usually play vs each other at the casino, but game selection was limited that night. And usually if we get heads up, we just check it down which has happened maybe twice in 6 months. Were both winning players at the game, so this wasn't going to be a big loss to either of us.

Oh, I hit the Ace on the river.

Man is he pissed at me laugh.gif
guinevar
QUOTE (Jadaki)
I put him on AK

I called, and I was wrong.  He had pocket 10's.

MP 2 told me he folded an A so that left me the case ace in the deck as an out.

Him and I don't usually play vs each other at the casino, but game selection was limited that night.  And usually if we get heads up, we just check it down which has happened maybe twice in 6 months.   Were both winning players at the game, so this wasn't going to be a big loss to either of us.

Oh, I hit the Ace on the river.

Man is he censored at me  :lol:


Good hand. Now you can examine exactly what your nephew did during that hand now knowing he had a great hand. Maybe this information will help you make a good call or laydown later on against him.
CobaltBlue
It's weak-tight to want to fold this pre-flop, right? I just think we're in trouble against most hands he's raising from the SB. We shouldn't want to get involved in pots with good players when there are bad ones to exploit. We'll also be out of position on the flop. And another tiny factor...we're not closing the action pre-flop.

Implied odds though, I guess.

That said, I can't lay down this flop. A5 maybe...but not top two.
Jadaki
He is an agressive player. He would raise the SB with a lot of hands. Any pocket pair, almost any 2 suited face cards, maybe even Axs.

I think I am ahead of his raises or in a coinflip about 50% of the time with A10s.

If I don't hit the flop it's a pretty easy muck for me, but flopping top two was ideal.
This is a "lo-fi" version of our main content. To view the full version with more information, formatting and images, please click here.
Invision Power Board © 2001-2012 Invision Power Services, Inc.