This is why you do not slowplay...Fastplaying this against a guy I knew was a fish was the way to go. I was so excited that I accidentally hit call on the river on the last bet instead of raise, oops....




PokerStars Game #2592175664: 7 Card Stud Limit ($0.50/$1.00) - 2005/09/16 - 20:47:57 (ET)
Table 'Wallia'
Seat 1: dtjet ($17.40 in chips)
Seat 2: MycroftH ($9.15 in chips)
Seat 3: KNOBS ($8.15 in chips)
Seat 4: Ricomi ($26.95 in chips)
Seat 5: carbonadium ($25.25 in chips)
Seat 6: jackattack77 ($11.70 in chips)
Seat 7: cookstir ($15.60 in chips)
Seat 8: KowboyKoop ($94.30 in chips)
dtjet: posts the ante $0.05
MycroftH: posts the ante $0.05
KNOBS: posts the ante $0.05
Ricomi: posts the ante $0.05
carbonadium: posts the ante $0.05
jackattack77: posts the ante $0.05
cookstir: posts the ante $0.05
KowboyKoop: posts the ante $0.05
*** 3rd STREET ***
Dealt to dtjet [9c]
Dealt to MycroftH [6d]
Dealt to KNOBS [Qs]
Dealt to Ricomi [Js]
Dealt to carbonadium [5s]
Dealt to jackattack77 [9h]
Dealt to cookstir [7s]
Dealt to KowboyKoop [Ah Ad Ac]
carbonadium: brings-in low $0.25
jackattack77: calls $0.25
cookstir: calls $0.25
KowboyKoop: raises $0.25 to $0.50
dtjet: folds
MycroftH: folds
KNOBS: calls $0.50
Ricomi: calls $0.50
carbonadium: folds
jackattack77: calls $0.25
cookstir: calls $0.25
*** 4th STREET ***
Dealt to KNOBS [Qs] [Ts]
Dealt to Ricomi [Js] [Jh]
Dealt to jackattack77 [9h] [2d]
Dealt to cookstir [7s] [3c]
Dealt to KowboyKoop [Ah Ad Ac] [4c]
Pair on board - a double bet is allowed
Ricomi: bets $1
jackattack77: calls $1
cookstir: folds
KowboyKoop: raises $1 to $2
KNOBS: folds
Ricomi: calls $1
jackattack77: calls $1
*** 5th STREET ***
Dealt to Ricomi [Js Jh] [5c]
Dealt to jackattack77 [9h 2d] [Qh]
Dealt to KowboyKoop [Ah Ad Ac 4c] [8s]
Ricomi: checks
jackattack77: bets $1
KowboyKoop: raises $1 to $2
Ricomi: calls $2
jackattack77: calls $1
*** 6th STREET ***
Dealt to Ricomi [Js Jh 5c] [Jc]
Dealt to jackattack77 [9h 2d Qh] [5d]
Dealt to KowboyKoop [Ah Ad Ac 4c 8s] [8h]
Ricomi: bets $1
jackattack77: calls $1
KowboyKoop: raises $1 to $2
Ricomi: raises $1 to $3
jackattack77: calls $2
KowboyKoop: raises $1 to $4
Betting is capped
Ricomi: calls $1
jackattack77: calls $1
*** RIVER ***
Dealt to KowboyKoop [Ah Ad Ac 4c 8s 8h] [6s]
Ricomi: bets $1
jackattack77: folds
KowboyKoop: raises $1 to $2
Ricomi: raises $1 to $3
KowboyKoop: calls $1
*** SHOW DOWN ***
Ricomi: shows [7d Kh Js Jh 5c Jc 7h] (a full house, Jacks full of Sevens)
KowboyKoop: shows [Ah Ad Ac 4c 8s 8h 6s] (a full house, Aces full of Eights)
KowboyKoop collected $32.15 from pot
KowboyKoop said, "****in right"
*** SUMMARY ***
Total pot $33.15 | Rake $1
Seat 1: dtjet folded on the 3rd Street (didn't bet)
Seat 2: MycroftH folded on the 3rd Street (didn't bet)
Seat 3: KNOBS folded on the 4th Street
Seat 4: Ricomi showed [7d Kh Js Jh 5c Jc 7h] and lost with a full house, Jacks full of Sevens
Seat 5: carbonadium folded on the 3rd Street
Seat 6: jackattack77 folded on the River
Seat 7: cookstir folded on the 4th Street
Seat 8: KowboyKoop showed [Ah Ad Ac 4c 8s 8h 6s] and won ($32.15) with a full house, Aces full of Eights

Why didn't you cap 7th street? Why did you raise 3rd? You might have gotten two more callers.

edit: saw you said that you were too exicited and just hit call

I didn't cap on the river because my hand slipped and I accidentally hit fold, I know, bad mistake,but it only cost me one more bet, oh well. I raised on third street because I had been playing at the table for a while (as had most of the other players) and I had ALWAYS raised if I was gonna play with an Ace on the board. This is a rule that I follow in general: If i have an ace up and it hasn't been raised yet, I am either going to fold or raise, no matter if I am rolled up, have split aces, a smaller concealed pair, three to a flush, or I am just trying to steal the antes. Limping in would have simply been too suspicious and I feel that you should play your big hands just the same as your more marginal hands so that noone can ever put you on an exact hand based on how you bet it. There are some players I play with who will only raise with an ace up if they have a pair of aces, with a small concealed pair or three to a flush, they will just limp, which makes them easy to read. I know that by raising in this situation I risked not making that much on my monster hand, but that risk is worth the reward of keeping my opponents guessing whenever I raise with an ace, as I could have anything from a pair of dueces to rolled up aces.

7 Card Stud High ($0.50/$1.00), Ante $0.05, Bring-In $0.25 (hand converter (use internet explorer))

Seat 1: $17.40
Seat 2: $9.15
Seat 3: $8.15
Seat 4: $26.95
Seat 5: $25.25
Seat 6: $11.70
Seat 7: $15.60
Hero: $94.30

3rd Street - (0.80 SB)

Seat 1: xx xx 9:club: ___folds
Seat 2: xx xx 6:diamond: ___folds
Seat 3: xx xx Q:spade: ___calls
Seat 4: xx xx J:spade: ___calls
Seat 5: xx xx 5:spade: ___brings-in ___folds
Seat 6: xx xx 9:heart: ___calls ___calls
Seat 7: xx xx 7:spade: ___calls ___calls
Hero: A:heart: A:diamond: A:club: ___raises

4th Street - (6.30 SB)

Seat 3: xx xx Q:spade: T:spade: ___folds
Seat 4: xx xx J:spade: J:heart: ___bets ___calls
Seat 6: xx xx 9:heart: 2:diamond: ___calls ___calls
Seat 7: xx xx 7:spade: 3:club: ___folds
Hero: A:heart: A:diamond: A:club: 4:club: ___raises

5th Street - (9.15 BB)

Seat 4: xx xx J:spade: J:heart: 5:club: ___checks ___calls
Seat 6: xx xx 9:heart: 2:diamond: Q:heart: ___bets ___calls
Hero: A:heart: A:diamond: A:club: 4:club: 8:spade: ___raises

6th Street - (15.15 BB)

Seat 4: xx xx J:spade: J:heart: 5:club: J:club: ___bets ___raises ___calls
Seat 6: xx xx 9:heart: 2:diamond: Q:heart: 5:diamond: ___calls ___calls ___calls
Hero: A:heart: A:diamond: A:club: 4:club: 8:spade: 8:heart: ___raises ___raises

River - (30.15 BB)

Seat 4: xx xx J:spade: J:heart: 5:club: J:club: xx ___bets ___raises
Seat 6: xx xx 9:heart: 2:diamond: Q:heart: 5:diamond: xx ___folds
Hero: A:heart: A:diamond: A:club: 4:club: 8:spade: 8:heart: 6:spade: ___raises ___calls

Total pot: (37.15 BB)

Results:
Total pot $33.15 | Rake $1

Seat 4: [7d Kh Js Jh 5c Jc 7h] (a full house, Jacks full of Sevens)

Hero: [Ah Ad Ac 4c 8s 8h 6s] (a full house, Aces full of Eights)

I definately wouldn't have raised third street, as you want the other players money in there. Making them call 2 bets instead of 1 isn't good.

Fourth street I think I also would have played soft, waiting for 5th street to raise it up, when the bets are doubled.

Just me though. I wouldn't have played it scared like you did (by your raising for isolation), I would have played it to trap.

For my reasoning behind why I played it the way I did, I refer you to my other post in this thread. Also, I think if I play it slower in this situation, I probably win a smaller pot, as they were calling me down when I was fastplaying as it is. As Hellmuth says, "Donkeys Always Draw.." so might as well get as much as I can out of them while they do so.

Yeah, I can see many a table that I have been at where playing it fast was more profitable, due to the opponents, and others where your third street raise has everyone running for the hills.

Yeah, it depends a lot on your table image and the players you are playing. However, I like to go with my theory of "deception by repitition." (Yeah, not MY theory, but, the one I use...)