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Pancake407
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Preflop: Hero is BB with K:heart:, K:spade:.
2 folds, CO calls, SB calls.

Flop: (9 SB) Q:diamond:, J:heart:, A:diamond: (3 players)
SB checks, Hero bets, CO folds, SB calls.

Turn: (5.50 BB) Q:spade: (2 players)
SB checks, Hero checks.

River: (5.50 BB) J:diamond: (2 players)
SB bets, Hero calls.

Final Pot: 7.50 BB
CobaltBlue
Ew. Gotta fold that river. What bets that you beat?
Swift_Psycho
I kind of like bet/folding the turn here. I don't want to induce a bluff on the river from something like 10-9 because it will be incredibly hard to call (even before the J pairs). If he calls the turn and bets the river, I fold. If he calls the turn and then checks the river, I check behind.

Is my line really poor? If it is, please explain why.
Actuary
QUOTE (CobaltBlue)
Ew. Gotta fold that river. What bets that you beat?


Don't you bet the turn?
As it turns out, you go to show down for the same price as betting the turn and folding the river.

I don't mind the call.
After checking the turn, lots of hands will bet here. They just have to fold a better hand 1/5 times. SB called a 2.5 preflop...sounds like PP, or otherwise a hand that would have bet the flop or turn. Unless he was looking to c/r the turn....geeesh.
BeanGW
I probably bet the turn as well. I don't like the bet/fold line though because you aren't necessarily way behind to a raise. I prefer bet/call, since I've for sure got at least 2 King outs, and probably 3 clean 10 outs that are likely to win this pot for those times I'm behind.

If you bet, and he smooth calls, the pot will be 7.5 on the river. Then I'd be more comfortable checking the river down... cauz it's quite possible he's going for a river C/R. If he bets out, I'd have a tough time calling with this river card. I'd really want some reads for that decision.

In your scenario, with a double paired board, three to the flush and relatively small pot, I think you gotta fold to the river bet.
CobaltBlue
Yeah, bet the turn...but if you check it, you gotta fold to this river bet.
Pancake407
Actually the villain did end up having a 9-T and I took the pot, just curious if it should have been an easy fold. Thanks for all your help.
KDawgCometh
turn check is fine, it lets you try to hit some of your outs. RIver has to be folded
Actuary
QUOTE (KDawgCometh)
turn check is fine, it lets you try to hit some of your outs. RIver has to be folded


you're ahead too often to fold here, I think, given the turn check.
You think villan was looking to c/r the turn?
Sysvr4
I very much like how you played this. Betting the turn is probably bad because a raise blows you out of a showdown. When you check the turn, it induces him to bluff virtually any hand on the river. And I like the river call. Nh.

Jeff
guinevar
How can you like the river call.
Sysvr4
QUOTE (guinevar)
How can you like the river call.


Hmm, I may have read the board too quickly. I'd like it better if it were the Js at least smile.gif

In general, I like the line on this hand tho...cheap showdown here is good.

Jeff
Actuary
I stick by villan bets any river.
I'm happy to pay to see what he calls a 3 bet from in the SB and then shows no more aggression.

Lots of hands bet here.

maybe I make mistake
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