princeof56k
Wednesday, September 14th, 2005, 3:42 AM
QUOTE (TJ_Eckleburg)
I don't mind the turn call... but I'd definitely be raising the river. For the action behind you, a turn raise might shut out flush drawers, who miraculously hit on the river.
I think the turn is a good example of a place to go for overcalls... but you definitely have to raise the river no matter what.
I think this is a very bad example of a place to go for overcalls. I do NOT think more money was earned in this hand by going for overcalls. As a matter of fact I think money was LOST. The drawers will call the turn raise way more often than not. If you raise the turn, you arent going to scare them off. There way more likely to think you have trip 7's than a boat.
QUOTE (109suited)
Thanks for the replies. I just called the turn, and raised the river and everyone including utg folded.
Now this is exactly why you raise the turn. I'll bet that one of them had KQ or Q9 for an open ended straight draw. These guys called 2 cold on the flop and then called 1 turn bet when the board paired. Since they folded on the river what else can you put them on? These guys would call 2 cold on the turn because they think their straight will be good. Since you didnt raise them it cost them only 1 bet to see the river and they folded when they missed.
And BTW, they folded becasue they thought YOU had the flush. Which is another reason you should raise the turn. You want them to think their flush or straight is the best hand. You want them to raise YOU on the river when you lead out (since you probably end up leading the river by raising the turn) giving you the chance to 3 bet the river.