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dimseven
3-6 limit

I'm UTG with 9-9, and I decide, ok let's raise this time!

Hero raises (UTG), 3 calls, BB calls too.

Flop: [Qd][2h][4s]

BB checks, Hero bets, UTG+3 calls, MP+3 calls, CO folds, BB calls.

Turn: [3d]

BB checks, Hero bets, UTG+3 calls, MP+3 folds, BB calls.

River: [5c]

BB checks, Hero checks, UTG+3 bets, BB folds, Hero folds.


Was I too aggressive with 9-9 against such a big field? And on the river, since I'd gotten there, a last attempt bluff is out of the question, no? I mean, it's against 2 opponents, and a bluff would attempt to fold K-Q or Q-J, 10-10 or J-J too... but K-Q could call, if not an A obviously.

The reads I have was that the BB was a loosie, no read on UTG+3. The fold is ok on the end? Or should I have made a crying call?
BeanGW
I like it.

I wouldn't hate a crying call on the end either. Yeah, I hate that river too, but the pot's big enough and you are closing the action. I think it might be close enough not to matter either way.
shpaget
99 UTG, I randomize on raise or limp - when in doubt, raise.

I bet/fold on the turn - and probably check/fold on the river to the million fish out there who will call to the river with a lone ace.
guinevar
Bet fold the river
Dr_Shakes
QUOTE (guinevar)
Bet fold the river


Why would you do that? :?
guinevar
QUOTE (Dr_Shakes)
QUOTE (guinevar)
Bet fold the river


Why would you do that? :?


No one has shown any aggression at the point I would make this decision. If someone raises me I can know that I am beat and release my hand. Otherwise, I am going to make the hands I beat call my bet instead of checking it through.
screech
I agree with guinevar on this one.

Check/folding seems to weak.

Check/calling is ok.

Bet/folding is best.
akishore
if you want to put in a bet on the river, check/calling > bet/folding, IMHO.

aseem

edit: i'm rethinking. ignore me for now.
KDawgCometh
QUOTE (akishore)
check/calling > bet/folding



And Its Not Even Close, does anyone see why
WonderfulSplash
QUOTE (KDawgCometh)
QUOTE (akishore)
check/calling > bet/folding



And Its Not Even Close, does anyone see why


Because were beat so often that a free showdown would be great?
Actuary
QUOTE (KDawgCometh)
QUOTE (akishore)
check/calling > bet/folding



And Its Not Even Close, does anyone see why



pick me ! pick me!

No better hand is folding (stretch to say a Q fears the str8..we can't represent that now)
usually only better hands call (and some raise)?
Check/calling might pick off a lower pair/bluff.
KDawgCometh
QUOTE (WonderfulSplash)
QUOTE (KDawgCometh)
QUOTE (akishore)
check/calling > bet/folding



And Its Not Even Close, does anyone see why


Because were beat so often that a free showdown would be great?



its HU on the end when it gets back to us. I'm not overcalling this for the life of me. I'm only calling because its HU and I don't want to lose this pot because someone was calling down with a 6
dimseven
QUOTE (KDawgCometh)
QUOTE (WonderfulSplash)
QUOTE (KDawgCometh)
QUOTE (akishore)
check/calling > bet/folding



And Its Not Even Close, does anyone see why


Because were beat so often that a free showdown would be great?



its HU on the end when it gets back to us. I'm not overcalling this for the life of me. I'm only calling because its HU and I don't want to lose this pot because someone was calling down with a 6


But we'd lose to a 6 too.

I don't quite understand what You wrote...You mean no bet-fold because a 6 is going to raise of course and we'd have to fold without showing down?
KDawgCometh
QUOTE (dimseven)
QUOTE (KDawgCometh)
QUOTE (WonderfulSplash)
QUOTE (KDawgCometh)
QUOTE (akishore)
check/calling > bet/folding



And Its Not Even Close, does anyone see why


Because were beat so often that a free showdown would be great?



its HU on the end when it gets back to us. I'm not overcalling this for the life of me. I'm only calling because its HU and I don't want to lose this pot because someone was calling down with a 6


But we'd lose to a 6 too.

I don't quite understand what You wrote...You mean no bet-fold because a 6 is going to raise of course and we'd have to fold without showing down?



I thought the 4 was a six. my bad. I'm still calling the single bet on the river here. Again, I don't want to overcall this, and that isn't even a question, but, I think enough idiots are betting that river if we check to them with hands that we can beat getting 11-1 that it is worth a crying call on the river
dimseven
I don't know about bet-folding either...

An A, 6, Q, higher pair beats me at that point. I could fold a higher pair (10-10), but I think most of the time a Q is going to make a reluctant call...

But, there are 2 opponents left when it's up to me to act, sure BB checked, but that doesn't mean he doesn't have an A or Q... I'd have to bluff-represent the A to TWO others... I'd be more inclined to bet-fold against ONE opponent, attempting to represent the A on the end there.
KDawgCometh
QUOTE (dimseven)
I don't know about bet-folding either...  

An A, 6, Q, higher pair beats me at that point. I could fold a higher pair (10-10), but I think most of the time a Q is going to make a reluctant call...

But, there are 2 opponents left when it's up to me to act, sure BB checked, but that doesn't mean he doesn't have an A or Q... I'd have to bluff-represent the A to TWO others... I'd be more inclined to bet-fold against ONE opponent, attempting to represent the A on the end there.




I wouldn't want to bet/fold either. by check/foldingto an overcall-calling one we can see what the full action is.
dimseven
QUOTE (KDawgCometh)
QUOTE (dimseven)
I don't know about bet-folding either...  

An A, 6, Q, higher pair beats me at that point. I could fold a higher pair (10-10), but I think most of the time a Q is going to make a reluctant call...

But, there are 2 opponents left when it's up to me to act, sure BB checked, but that doesn't mean he doesn't have an A or Q... I'd have to bluff-represent the A to TWO others... I'd be more inclined to bet-fold against ONE opponent, attempting to represent the A on the end there.




I wouldn't want to bet/fold either. by check/foldingto an overcall-calling one we can see what the full action is.


Good point...
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