$3/$6 hold 'em, ten-handed

table is very loose and quite passive. players are stunningly bad.

five limpers to me, i limp 3 4 on the button, ...

aseem

I got no problem with that. I thought you were gonna say you raised it

Jeff

Not that bad with the button and perfect table conditions. I'd limp too.

wtf??

i play K3s here and a shit ton of other hands. This is easy as hell, bro.

is 3 2 fine?

my point is, where do you draw the line? 4 3 is pretty crappy in limit, but if it's okay to play it, i will strongly argue that 3 2 and in fact hands like 4 2 and 5 3 and 5 2 are playable as well.

aseem

hahaha, K3s is sooooo much stronger than 43s, but i agree with what you're saying. i tend to be really loose in these uber-soft games, and i just want to analyze whether i'm getting too loose.

my point is, i'm pretty sure i would limp if i had 32s here too. 42s, i'm not sure but i lean towards limping it. 53s i limp, 52s i feel like folding but i think if i'm playing the other hands that this is just as playable. not sure, though.

aseem

I actually did today and the sb raised it up.

Flop was something like A29, with 2 spades.

Sometimes it feels too fishy to show a guy that his AK is no good because you just rivered 3s up. lmao.

stop the presses! aseem is playing +EV hands.

you guys missed my point.

what is the cutoff for limping here?

if it's okay to limp 43s, i'm pretty sure 52s becomes playable too.

get it?

aseem

the cutoff is player vs opponents dependent

You, Aseem, can play more marginal hands against a passive/loose table than I could against a TAG table. (or that same table you are on..)

There's no specific answer.

i understand, actuary, but it seems none of you are still getting my point really.

i'm not asking for an exact cutoff, but i need to know just how marginal or non-marginal this is.

i mean, wrto and kdawg make this sound like it's not close.

if this is an easy limp, isn't 52s? or is 52s "close"?

if this is an easy limp, is 84s easy too? or is it close/marginal?

do you see where i'm going? ...

aseem

why do u think I don't understand your question?

Whether it's marginal or not depends on yuor post flop skillsrelative to your opponents. I know you said you know that.

Are you asking about the relative strength of 84s vs 45s etc....?
You want a ranking of marginal holdings?

I'll throw this out there: The lower you go ,the less High Card matters and the more connectivity does. So, I would say 45s is stronger than 73s.
At least it feels like it.

I'm limping with any two suited here, and some unsuited mid connectors. I also hate making cutoffs for what to limp with/raise with, it makes the game too mechanical

Dont know if its right, but here's what I've been doing.

If I have 4 or more limpers in front of me, I limp with any suited cards. I'm looking to make a flush draw, 2 pair, trips or a good straight draw. Since I'm at the back of the table, I'm probably going to be able raise it if I hit.

BTW, if I end up making TP with a crap kicker, I'm usually folding if someone bets in front of me. If its checked to me, I'm betting.

The most profitable play in poker is folding. The main advantage of a good player vs bad players is the ability to fold. 8)

brace yourself.

i didn't mean a "mechanical" arbitrary cutoff.

i'm just saying, is it really as "easy" of a limp as some of you claim it is?

if so, how easy are other hands to limp?

where does it become CLOSE or grey?

aseem

Hi,

I think that you should ask what the cut off for off suit connectors is in that situation. The way I see it with 7-8 ppl potentialy seeing the flop any two suited connector cards are viable. Imho

And at what point do any two suited cards look ugly? Do they?