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Devilkin
I've been trying to improve my game lately by sensing when I feel I'm beat and saving a bet or two here or there, but this hand I think I may have gone overboard. Comments added in the history.

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Preflop: Hero is BB with [Jd], [Js]. UTG+1 posts a blind of $0.25.
1 fold, Hero calls, UTG+1 folds, MP2 calls, CO calls.

Cap PF with jacks, or just call the raise and reraise and see a flop?

Flop: (13 SB) [Th], [5c], [Ts] (4 players)
SB checks, Hero bets, CO folds, SB folds, Hero folds.

Bet out to find out where I am - initial better seemed not to fear the paired tens on the board, so either he has a ten (such as ATs), or a higher pocket pair than me. Fold it here, raise to force the issue or call and see another card?

Final Pot: 8 BB
akishore
this is a very weak fold.

people do this all day with AK-AJ/KQ-KJ as well as 99-66.

aseem
Devilkin
Then whats the play here? Call or raise?
Vade
Just calling the three bet preflop out of position is fine.

On the flop, this is such an easy three-bet. This is about the best flop you could hope for
akishore
QUOTE (Devilkin)
Then whats the play here? Call or raise?

call.

bet/call a non-(Q/K/A) turn, check/call a (Q/K/A) turn.

depending on action and river card, check/call or bet/call river.

aseem
akishore
QUOTE (Vade)
Just calling the three bet preflop out of position is fine.

On the flop, this is such an easy three-bet. This is about the best flop you could hope for

three-betting is semi-spewing, but it's not terrible.

this is mostly a wa/wb situation, but the fact that we are vulnerable to overcards means we want to bet/call each street instead of check/call it.

aseem
Devilkin
QUOTE (Vade)
Just calling the three bet preflop out of position is fine.

On the flop, this is such an easy three-bet. This is about the best flop you could hope for


Exactly what I was thinking about it being a good flop for me - wasn't expecting to be raised.
Gametime had him rated as Tight/Passive, so I'm respecting his raise a bit more than normal. But after the fold, I did kick myself for being too passive myself.

Dev
Devilkin
QUOTE (akishore)
QUOTE (Devilkin)
Then whats the play here? Call or raise?

call.

bet/call a non-(Q/K/A) turn, check/call a (Q/K/A) turn.

depending on action and river card, check/call or bet/call river.

aseem


Makes sense - thanks for the input.
Vade
QUOTE (akishore)
QUOTE (Vade)
Just calling the three bet preflop out of position is fine.

On the flop, this is such an easy three-bet. This is about the best flop you could hope for

three-betting is semi-spewing, but it's not terrible.

this is mostly a wa/wb situation, but the fact that we are vulnerable to overcards means we want to bet/call each street instead of check/call it.

aseem


This is a good point. I still like three betting, but aseem has good logic
LaydownKing
This is not a WA/WB situation. If villain has a 5, he has 5 outs, and if he has overcards he has up to 6...
akishore
QUOTE (LaydownKing)
This is not a WA/WB situation. If villain has a 5, he has 5 outs, and if he has overcards he has up to 6...

if villian has a 5, he has two outs.

if villian has an overpair, we have two outs.

and if you had properly read my posts, i mentioned that because we are vulnerable to overcards, bet/call is better than check/call.

aseem
LaydownKing
QUOTE (akishore)
QUOTE (LaydownKing)
This is not a WA/WB situation. If villain has a 5, he has 5 outs, and if he has overcards he has up to 6...

if villian has a 5, he has two outs.

if villian has an overpair, we have two outs.

and if you had properly read my posts, i mentioned that because we are vulnerable to overcards, bet/call is better than check/call.

aseem



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