theone
Sunday, September 11th, 2005, 11:46 AM
Let me preface this a lil....
My opponent in this hand had absolutely been calling anything preflop no matter the amount of raise. This guy is a complete donkey. I looked up donkey in the dictionary and there he was!!
How do you guys bounce back against somebody like this? I know that long term this guy loses a lot of money and all that crap but honestly could I have played this any better? Or should I just start folding these hands before they burn me? (sw)
Party Poker (6 max, 6 handed)
converter
Preflop: Hero is CO with [Jh], [Js].
4 folds.
I raised to 1.75 he calls
Flop: [9d], [Jc], [5h]
(2 players)
BB checks.
I bet pot of $4.15, he calls
Turn: [Qc]
(2 players)
I bet pot of $12.05, he calls
River: [Th]
(2 players)
[b]Final Pot:[/$28.71]
this didnt convert correctly, so pardon my additions...
Anyone dare guess what he had? Ding Ding Ding he call all that money with big slick... runner runner straight. This guys name is permanently on my buddy list on party.
TheCinciKid
Sunday, September 11th, 2005, 12:50 PM
Is villain on the button or somewhere else? Position could be important in this hand.
How did you play the river? This could be very significant in deciding whether you could have played the hand better.
In my opinion, you should have bet less on the flop. You want him to call you with a weak hand, and he did, so that worked well for you. The pot-sized bet is usually used when you want to chase draws out. No obvious draws on this flop, so you may want to bet a little less with top set. Here, I think about half the pot would be appropriate and I might even consider checking.
Turn is okay. I still might suggest betting less. Again, you have a set and want to get called by someone who is behind. Make it unprofitable for them to call, but don't try to chase them out. Here I think about 2/3 to 3/4 of the pot would be appropriate.
River, I'd probably slow down, but it would depend on position. The T is something of a scare cards here, but maybe I'm being results oriented. I definitely don't see villain calling two pot-sized bets with just AK. But, donkeys always draw so who knows. Again, river play is position dependent here IMO.
theone
Sunday, September 11th, 2005, 1:59 PM
He was last to act. I was betting and he was calling anything, so when I flopped the set I bet and he called just like he had been. He had ak so his hand was not weak. The flop didnt help him at all and he called- not bet. He was all in after the turn so I woulda slowed down if he had anymore money. He had thirteen bucks in with ace high.....
GodOfEntropy
Sunday, September 11th, 2005, 2:56 PM
I like the way you played it - there are plenty of draws on the flop that you need to make pay, i.e. QT, KQ, 87 etc. so betting the pot is in order here. Well played
Jordan
Sunday, September 11th, 2005, 3:04 PM
Just unlucky. Nothing you can do.
You will see this time and time again if you keep playing.
Decide now if that's what you want.
- Jordan
theone
Sunday, September 11th, 2005, 3:13 PM
I guess I shouldnt continue to be amazed at these donkeys drawing at such an expensive price. Dont get me wrong, I will draw at a straight or a flush if you check or bet very small bets. This guy called needing runner runner. I guess he thought if he hit an ace or king he was good. Who knows. I love DONKEYS... I dont mind giving my money up to people like him, they give it back so easily.....
TheCinciKid
Sunday, September 11th, 2005, 4:37 PM
He had ak so his hand was not weak.
His hand was very weak postflop (just two overcards), especially when facing a pot-sized bet. But, he was a donkey, and they love AK and think it can never be beaten. What I was basically trying to say about getting called by a weak hand, is that no reasonable player would have called a pot-sized bet with AK (and I'd venture to say that many donkeys wouldn't either). However, there are many calling stations who would call a half-pot bet with 2nd or third pair, or maybe even a lower pocket pair, but might fold those hands to the pot-sized bet. At any rate, I don't see any major mistakes in the way you played the hand, it sucks to be sucked out on, but there's not much you can do about it.
brian67
Sunday, September 11th, 2005, 8:06 PM
You said it happened on party, you should have said that before the hand history and saved me 30 seconds. Party is full of idiots.
hank213
Sunday, September 11th, 2005, 8:17 PM
QUOTE (brian67)
You said it happened on party, you should have said that before the hand history and saved me 30 seconds. Party is full of idiots.
Like many things in life we laugh cuz it's funny and we laugh cuz it's true. If the initial raise was 1.75 I'm guessing you were at .25/.50 table or so...Heck I've played 5-10 kill pots in a B&M where donkeys will call all the way down with that hand...Just remember you didn't make the mistake, the other person did. Regroup, pick your spot and bust that mutha!
brian67
Sunday, September 11th, 2005, 9:45 PM
QUOTE
Like many things in life we laugh cuz it's funny and we laugh cuz it's true. If the initial raise was 1.75 I'm guessing you were at .25/.50 table or so...Heck I've played 5-10 kill pots in a B&M where donkeys will call all the way down with that hand...Just remember you didn't make the mistake, the other person did. Regroup, pick your spot and bust that mutha!
What does that have to do with my post? I just don't see it.
Jordan
Sunday, September 11th, 2005, 9:47 PM
QUOTE (brian67)
QUOTE
Like many things in life we laugh cuz it's funny and we laugh cuz it's true. If the initial raise was 1.75 I'm guessing you were at .25/.50 table or so...Heck I've played 5-10 kill pots in a B&M where donkeys will call all the way down with that hand...Just remember you didn't make the mistake, the other person did. Regroup, pick your spot and bust that mutha!
What does that have to do with my post? I just don't see it.
He basically said. Idiots play low limits. Idiots play "mid" limits.
You aren't going to get away from it, so take the good with the bad.
I think that's what he meant.
- Jordan
brian67
Sunday, September 11th, 2005, 10:09 PM
QUOTE
He basically said. Idiots play low limits. Idiots play "mid" limits.
Yeah what i was getting at was that all players on party are especially terrible. Though I mostly played sng's there. But that just gets back the fact that most people are terrible at poker and that people always overestimate their own skill and underestimate their opponents. I still don't think that it tied in with my post at all though.
hank213
Sunday, September 11th, 2005, 10:32 PM
QUOTE (Jordan)
QUOTE (brian67)
QUOTE
Like many things in life we laugh cuz it's funny and we laugh cuz it's true. If the initial raise was 1.75 I'm guessing you were at .25/.50 table or so...Heck I've played 5-10 kill pots in a B&M where donkeys will call all the way down with that hand...Just remember you didn't make the mistake, the other person did. Regroup, pick your spot and bust that mutha!
What does that have to do with my post? I just don't see it.
He basically said. Idiots play low limits. Idiots play "mid" limits.
You aren't going to get away from it, so take the good with the bad.
I think that's what he meant.
- Jordan
Jordan thanks. That is exactly where I was coming from. TheOne: Here's what I'm saying in terms that are more plain: The poker world is flooded by people that flat out
refuse to learn the game. Dipsh*ts abound. Take the hit, refocus, and then
Bust that Mutha!
dms26
Monday, September 12th, 2005, 8:40 AM
QUOTE (TheCinciKid)
Is villain on the button or somewhere else? Position could be important in this hand.
How did you play the river? This could be very significant in deciding whether you could have played the hand better.
In my opinion, you should have bet less on the flop. You want him to call you with a weak hand, and he did, so that worked well for you. The pot-sized bet is usually used when you want to chase draws out. No obvious draws on this flop, so you may want to bet a little less with top set. Here, I think about half the pot would be appropriate and I might even consider checking.
Turn is okay. I still might suggest betting less. Again, you have a set and want to get called by someone who is behind. Make it unprofitable for them to call, but don't try to chase them out. Here I think about 2/3 to 3/4 of the pot would be appropriate.
River, I'd probably slow down, but it would depend on position. The T is something of a scare cards here, but maybe I'm being results oriented. I definitely don't see villain calling two pot-sized bets with just AK. But, donkeys always draw so who knows. Again, river play is position dependent here IMO.
Why would you suggest betting less into a guy that is a complete calling station? Against a normal opponent sure, but against a guy who is calling raises with anything and we have top set I don't mind the amounts he bet at all. You want to bet the biggest amount you think he will call, obviously he calls pot size bets with overs, so make him pay.
Big-Ern777
Monday, September 12th, 2005, 9:59 PM
One day it's depressing and the next it's the best thing ever. You played fine, got your sympahty and vented out the frustration. Now sit back, suck on a strawberry coolata and head down to JC Penny and unleash your wild side with one-time only sales and affordable prices that won't let you down.
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