I just posted a shorthanded hand, similar hand with full table. Any differences in how to play it? Same players as that other hand, with a few new guys.

Stage #183694910: Seven Card Stud Hi/Lo Normal $0.50/$1 [ 2005-09-08 15:16:27 ]
Seat 1 - ROCKETWAD
Seat 2 - I
Seat 3 - J
Seat 4 - M
Seat 5 - S
Seat 6 - O
Seat 7 - T

Antees $0.02 each

ROCKETWAD - Pocket [2c,3c,2h] Brings-in $0.20
I - Pocket [H,H,2s] Folds
J - Pocket [H,H,10h] Folds
M - Pocket [H,H,4d] Calls
S - Pocket [H,H,5d] Calls
O - Pocket [H,H,Jd] Folds
T - Pocket [H,H,Kc] Calls

*** 4TH STREET ***
ROCKETWAD - Pocket [2c,3c,2h,3d] Bets $0.50
M - Pocket [H,H,4d,7h] Calls
S - Pocket [H,H,5d,Qd] Folds
T - Pocket [H,H,Kc,Qc] Checks, Calls

*** 5TH STREET ***
ROCKETWAD - Pocket [2c,3c,2h,3d,6c] Bets $1
M - Pocket [H,H,4d,7h,6s] Calls
T - Pocket [H,H,Kc,Qc,Js] Checks, Calls

*** 6TH STREET ***
ROCKETWAD - Pocket [2c,3c,2h,3d,6c,9h] Calls
M - Pocket [H,H,4d,7h,6s,Ks] Calls
T - Pocket [H,H,Kc,Qc,Js,9s] Bets $1

Right here is the tricky part. Do I automatically give him credit for the straight? Maybe he now has a flush draw to go with a pair. I can still make a full, so its a call, right? M didn't raise, so it doesnt appear that they have a made low, OR are scared that mine (my board looks like I am going low) is better. Should I raise to get M out?

*** RIVER ***
ROCKETWAD - Pocket [2c,3c,2h,3d,6c,9h,Jc] Calls
M - Pocket [H,H,4d,7h,6s,Ks,H] Calls
T - Pocket [H,H,Kc,Qc,Js,9s,H] Bets $1

I didn't make my full house. Do I call here for one BB, but only for half ($1 to possibly win about $4.50)? Would a raise be beneficial, to get M to fold, possibly scooping with my very weak two pair? Pretty sure T wouldn't fold if they have the straight, so it is probably a wasted raise, but is it a wasted call also?

[size=7]*** SHOW DOWN ***
T - Show cards [Kh,10d,Kc,Qc,Js,9s,6d]
ROCKETWAD - Show cards [2c,3c,2h,3d,6c,9h,Jc]
M - Show cards [Ah,8s,4d,7h,6s,Ks,3s]

*** RESULT ***
Total Pot($11.44) Rake ($0.55)

honestly you should consider folding 6th street when the guy start betting. you are getting 7.4-1 on your call, and all you have is a weak two pair, and you want to be getting 11-1 on your call, but with implied odds you could be getting 9-1 to try to fill up, but when you don't fill up there should be no way that you pay off that river with a baby two pair. That guy's board is so dangerous its not funny. he could have a straight or a higher two pair(which is very likely) and all of a sudden he just springs to action on 6th, yeah taht makes me worry. I'd fold 6th and not look back

If I didn't play with this guy a fair bit, I would have folded instantly, but he is the type of player that likes to bet when his board looks scary, regardless of whether he has it or not.

:?

I agree with KDawg, I fold 6th. You're almost certainly playing for half the pot, and even if you are ahead here, he's probably got lots of outs.

I'm pretty sure that this is normal stud, at least that's what it says on the header, so there isn't even a split pot to play for

Once again, sorry for the confusion. it IS Stud 8. Didnt realize I missed it in the title of the post, AND the hand history is WHACKED :?

but i dont think this is a fold on 6th. Rock's board cards look like he is going low, and the bettor may well have 1 pair, plus the outs for a boat make it a decent call imo. It may also not be for 1/2 the pot, because M has been respecting Rock's board and may still be on a draw for a low.

Look at the action of T.
He starts with a king. Check call.
He gets a queen. Check call.
He gets a jack. Check call.
He gets a nine. Betting out???

What could he have started with that the nine helped him with?

Only logical hands that makes sense to me is (K 10) K or (K 9) K.

I can't beat either one. I should have folded on 7th for sure. 6th I think I had the odds to call. 8)

He may have a pair of kings and think you and M are fighting for the low. But, he may have kings up already and didn't start betting them until he was more certain someone wasn't going to hit a low straight. There's an aweful lot of hands he could have that beat you, though, so it may be best to let him take this one and wait for a better spot. He could also have Q-10, or Q-9 down, as well. Those hands also aren't good for you. Remember, play to scoop unless you're very strong one way. You're playing for half the pot with a vulnerable hand. Heck, M might have your 2 pair beat on the end.

I don't know how perceptive T is, but it might also not be a coincidence that he bet out on the first street where nobody caught a low card.

I don't think raising on 6th street to get M out really does anything, unless you're buddies with T. T probably has you beat, so getting M to fold would just give T the whole pot instead of half of it.

Just read Daniel's little blurb about his Stud 8 battle with Count Chocula, and noticed a little note at the end of it.

Apparantly, a pair of two's with a low draw is an 11 to 10 favorite against a pair of kings after 5th street.

Weird wild stuff! 8)