Hero is Utg+1 ($253) with K K

Villain is 27.90/9.38/3.04 after 400 hands
and has $293 in chips.

Villain posts in CO. Utg folds, Hero raises to $8,
6 folds, Villain calls $6, blinds fold.


Flop (9.5 sb) J 5 9

Hero bets $15, Villain raises to $30, Hero calls. ???


Turn (20BB) 7

Hero checks ??? , Villain bets $40, Hero calls ???


River (40BB) 4

Hero checks ???, Villain bets $70, Hero ????



Obviously I'm looking for input where I've put the
question marks...did I donk this up, or is it ok to let
a moderately aggressive player take the lead and
do the betting for you with an overpair???

some would say all-in pre-flop...

others would say raise the flop 8)

why are you going by small bets and big bets for the size of the pot?

That's how most of the posts have it. Why not...that's how PT
keeps the stats...It isn't that hard to figure out the dollar
amounts if that's how you prefer it...

Flop -$19

Turn -$79

River -$159.

That help??

meh, a little weird that's all, and bet the turn

your hand is good.

Id raise the flop.

I originally said "others would say raise the flop"...I meant to type in looshle would say raise the flop...

If this is the case, what can we put him on?

He called a $6 raise PF. He raised a flop of J 5 9 rainbow
He bet $40 on a turn 7. He now bets $70, there's no flush
and only the 8 10 would make a straight. Is he aggresive
enough to make these bets with an OESD?
Put him on a set? Missed draw?

His aggression factor and vpip tell me he could be
playing just about anything here...

I'm confused....lol

--where's aseem when you need him?? lol

Just gut reaction, AJ-QJ, maybe + FD. I think we're good here, I'd reraise the flop.

id most likely put him on AJ or KJ here. it seems that hes overbetting to protect his hand, and he doesnt put you on an overpair because you slowed down so easily. given the fact that you cant read him, you played it fine... perhaps a raise on the turn or a reraise on the flop could better define everything.

You played that fine.

Since you are inducing bets from him, you are prolly getting maximium amount of cash outta him

Ok, then. What's our line on the river?

Are we ahead enough times to make a raise here +ev?

Flat call? If we raise, is it just an all in push?

Sorry to shamelessly bump my own thread.

I was hoping for some advice on the river move....

If you want to play it in this manner, I don't think you can possibly check/raise the river here. Just calling the river is best I believe.

(Someone please correct me if I'm wrong, but I can't see how it would be better to raise than just call on the river.)

If you put him on AJ like I do, then raise the river; if you arent sure then just call. Of course I think that I would rather have raised the turn here (because there are a lot more draws out there with that 7 of diamonds).

unless you are on a bluff, a bet on the river needs to be called by a hand that we can beat to be profitable.

I can only see a scant few hands that we can beat that will MAYBE call a bet on the river (ie. ace jack), so I think it is better to just call the $70 here. 8)

Since you called flop and turn how in the hell can you fold the river here. I simply call the river. Does the 4 scare you?

He's asking if he should just call or check/raise the river.

nothing that i can put him on scares me on this hand. I think the kings are good. I would push the river, thinking he has AJ.

I flat called.

He showed Q 10 for a flopped OESD.

River bet was a total bluff, and almost worked.

I was more upset with how passively I played
to his raises on the flop and turn than anything.

I guess I just let him take the lead due to the
fact that I saw how aggressive he always is, and
knew that I would still get bets out of him.

Anyways, thanks for the input.

He's not calling a river raise unless he has you beat (with two pair, a set, or a straight). Raising the river will probably not win any extra money, but it could lose extra money. Unless you've seen this player call check-raise all-ins before with just TPTK, I think you played it fine. You won as much as you could if you are ahead.

(now that I see the results, I see that you definitely won the max by relenquishing the lead. NH.)

Edited to add: Good thing you didn't make a set!

well, the only thing i would have done differently is re-raise the flop. he made a min-raise...i think he was really just testing you're hand more than anything. the only place you can really fold is if he pushes back against a re-raise on the flop.

i really really like your checks on the turn and river. you induced a bluff but also minimized losses in case he had a set (highly unlikely that he had the 10-8 for a straight). at that point it'd be really bad to have bet, get re-raised, and fold.

He might have put in more $$ on the turn to draw, but if you had raised the turn you wouldn't have got $70 out of him on the river. I'm not saying that we should look back after the hand when we know the results and second guess ourselves though. Your play was inducing bluffs, and when you play in a way that induces bluffs, sometimes you have to make gutsy calls.

Villain's min raise on the flop isn't very strong. I would reraise a good amount here.

I should clarify: I don't like the flop or turn play, but the river call (as opposed to a C/R) was the right move.