ok guys first time posting in strat. been on the forum for a while.

wanted to discuss a hand that my buddy had the other day.

here it goes... he is playing 100nl on party ten man table

he is under the gun with 55. he raises to five. he gets a call then guy reraises to 25. that guy gets two callers from one of the button and the button. blinds fold and my buddy calls. other caller at five calls. so there is roughly 125 bucks in the pot preflop. flop comes 2 5 k rainbow with one heart.

my friend is first to act. he has about 145 left and pushes all in. the raiser of 25 has him covered and so does the guy one off the button. everyone folds to the button. button thinks forever and only has about 40 left. my friends trys to bait her into calling saying you only got 40 yadda yadda. well sure enough the girl calls with 6 8 of hearts. (yes i know unreal she did and unreal she was even in the hand). well she ends up catching runner 7 4 for the straight.

well my buddy is pissed and i am just like why. you played that hand horrible.

so lets discuss i have class right now so i dont have time to post why i think he played it awful but i will post why when i get back

He should have just limped PF... then if there's a raise and a few callers, OK to call.

On the flop OK to push the set, or maybe check/push might be ok if you are pretty certain there's gonna be a bet.

Whats your buddy's name on party? I wanna add him to my buddy list.

Things wrong with his hand:

1) Raising UTG with 55. IMO, I limp here and try to hit a set. Im out of position, and raising 5x the BB with a hand that can't stand much pressure pre-flop in EP = bad news.

2) CALLING the re-raise to 25. Sorry... bad play. This is an insta-muck. What.... are you calling an extra $20 out of position to hit a set against only one player who has enough chips to make it even CONSIDERABLY worth while? lmfao

3) Pushing in. I like leading out with my sets, but why in the hell would you PUSH IN? you do want value for your hand, no? I can just hear how bad the "smash lovers" are gonna rag on me for saying that. Sorry, I want value for my big hands, not fold equity.

preflop...

raising to $5 with 55 UTG is somewhere between god-awful and horrendous.

calling the $20 reraise is also slightly crappy, but not completely bad if one or two of the players already in are sheriffs or calling stations (e.g. you can make about $100 more if you flop a set, good implied odds).

postflop...

eh, i don't want to touch this.

pushing can be good or bad, it really depends on table image and tendencies of the opponents in the hand.

if you think you're more likely to get a call with a push than any other bet, pushing is great, especially because of the king on the board.

if you prefer to be on the safe side, this board is so super-safe that you can pretty safely bet smaller or check and slowplay until the turn.

styles vary in NL, and i don't really care much how he plays it postflop.

aseem

ok i think the preflop raise was terrible. i also think that the call of 20 more was pretty bad too. you have to assume that with 4 other players in this pot there are many overs that you are racing agains. how ever he is i think 8 to 1 to flop a set and the implied odds if he hits are there so maybe not that horrendous of a call.

but where he messes up is that he usually has a very tight table image. and pushing in here all he did was eliminate he possiblity of making he implied odds pay off his 8 to 1 gamble. with 125 in the pot i think he should lead out with this board in the area of 50-60. that keeps the possible king queen in and that ace king if there was one, qq and some other hands that cant call an all in here. but moving all in from under that gun on that board imo just shows strenght and those hands that i just mentioned are not going to call his all in usually. but this is party so they could.


also i as far as getting paid of on his set. if you are 8 to 1 to hit a set you should try to make 8 to 1 off you preflop bet when you hit one. he told me that he played it perfectly and he just wanted to take the pot down there. well long term i think he made a losing bet. see if he picks the pot up there he is only making 5 to 1 on the money he put in with the pockets. if he doesnt hit a set he has to muck. so they way he played this by trying to make 5 to 1 and pick it up right there is just wrong imo in the long term.

he didnt quite understand that and said he would make the exact same play again and again

wow.... what a terrible preflop play...

if people are playing their hands like this pre flop, then im being way too respectful of their raises.


as far as anything constructive.....akishore's criticism is about right.