just wondering if the same 2-2.5BB/100 standard applies at these 6 max tables or if a good player shoots for more than that since he is playing less oponents? I had never played 6 max till a couple days ago and I could see that postflop skill weighs a bit more than in regular 10 handed games....anyway, just curious.

You should be shooting for more playing 6-max. A pretty good player can sustain 4-5BB/100.

5 max at pokerroom is a fucking joke

Understatement of the day.

r u serious? can anyone back this up for me?? (not that I dont believe u chiggle) but thats pretty big...variance seems like it could be a bitch, but I feel the level of play sux at those tables so u can come out waay ahead any given session ( only played 2k hands so far, but thats what it seems like to me)

never played it, is it worse than party?...Ive played 2/4 - 5/10 ring games on Pokerroom and I thought they sucked, avg pot was like 18 -24 bux at 2/4.

I've made almost 4BB/100 playing Party 6-max, and I've talked to other people that have similar win rates...

I've played a lot of hands, too, so unless I'm on a 50k hand lucky streak, it's sustainable...

worse IMO

nice..Im still on a pretty big upswing I guess Ill find out how I do by the end of the month. Im hardly going to play full 3/6 anymore, it seems like such a waste of time now :-).

btw, how many tables do u play for 6 max?

hmmm, I might have to transfer some then. dunno though, multitabling on PR sucks.

I've noticed the 6 max on party are getting more popular and oddly enough, tightening up. Anyone else notice this. 6 max used to be so simple to win, but now the pots aren't as big because the players seem to me to be playing tighter.

nope, same clowns

I'm sorry for being iggnorant about this subject, but can someone please explain what you are talking about when you say: "4BB/100" ?

4 big bets per 100 hands played, so if you're playing 1/2 limit and you are making that amount it is $8/100 hands.

So, what is a good average? I ususally play 1/2/

Is 8bb/100 a good average?

What is the best way to arrive at this average?

Do you wait until you have played 100 hands and then basically look and see what you've won to that point and then divide that by the BB (2, in this case)?


So, if after 100 hands, I am up $50, then I have made 25bb/100?

How many hands should I play to see a good running average? 10,000?

And when I lose, I assume I chalk that up as a negative (-25bb/100)?

Sorry for all the questions...one more....

What system does one use to keep up with all this? I have been keeping up with my wins/losses using an Excel spreadsheet, which calculates how much I win per hour played.

All right here man....
http://fullcontactpoker.com/poker-forums/v...pic.php?t=12767

So, what is a good average? I ususally play 1/2/

2-3bb/100

Is 8bb/100 a good average?

not possible

What is the best way to arrive at this average?

play hands? don't understand the question, to vague

Do you wait until you have played 100 hands and then basically look and see what you've won to that point and then divide that by the BB (2, in this case)?

yes, but it is a statistical avg. of 1k's of hands

So, if after 100 hands, I am up $50, then I have made 25bb/100?

correct, that would be your current win rate

How many hands should I play to see a good running average? 10,000?

10k you start to see what your avg. would be

And when I lose, I assume I chalk that up as a negative (-25bb/100)?

yup

Sorry for all the questions...one more....

What system does one use to keep up with all this? I have been keeping up with my wins/losses using an Excel spreadsheet, which calculates how much I win per hour played.

www.pokertracker.com

Very soft. I have a lot of rediculous beats to prove this.

I need more hands there though for my stupid long run #'s to come through. I'm still grinding out 3/6 there trying to get to 5k for 5/10, but they also upped the rake so I don't suggest playing there unless you get rake back. As you will get analed at 2/4 and below.

- Jordan

i usually only play two at a time because i'm doing a lot of other stuff while i'm playing, but the more the better, IMO.

just add tables gradually and make sure you're used to playing X number of tables before adding more.

chiggles, 4 - 5 BB/100 is possibly sustainable depending on the juiciness of the game, but by no means is it EASILY sustainable.

the pokerstars six max games are amazing, and i'm beating them for just a little over 3 BB/100. i feel i'm not maximizing my winrate, though. still, while some experts might crush it for 4+ BB/100 and it might be realistic, it is NOT easy by any means.

i can't stress that enough.

this is like in a full ring game, it is possible to beat $3/$6 on party for 3+ BB/100, but few players do it, and it's damn tough to do.

while you can strive for 4+ BB/100, definitely don't think it's the "norm".

aseem

i never said it was easily sustainable. i said a pretty good player can sustain a rate upwards of 4BB/100. i guess i was understating. a really good player can sustain this rate.

since i don't consider myself leaps and bounds above other good players, it makes sense that my win rate could be bettered by better players, so since i'm making between 3-4BB/100, a really good player could make more.

i never said it was the norm... just something to shoot for.

edit: i cannot emphasize enough the importance of game selection in achieving a rate higher than 3BB/100. oftentimes, the difference between a 2-3 BB/100 player and a 3-4BB/100 player is game selection.

ahh I was already getting my hopes up...I guess Im up for a huge downswing since Im beating it for 7.5BB/100 in 2k hands.

Heh. I remember beating it for like 15BB/100 my first 2k hands.

If only...

Seriously though, don't get your hopes down over aseem's gloomfest.

At least strive for 4BB/100.

yea..I'll strive for it.......but now im scared!

The site I'm on does not support PokerTracker...So if I want to calculate it manually, I'm pretty sure of the following:

((Profit / (Hands Played/100)) / Amount of blind) = bb per 100

** "/" = divided by

But, what I'm confused about is, if I play 5 different sessions, at different structures, how do I calculate them together? I think I would still just add up all my sessions, then divide by the number of sessions to get the average, but I'm not sure.

what do u mean by different structures? different blinds? ie 2/4 for one session 5/10 for the next? cuz IF so I wouldnt calculate this together you'll never know if ur beating one level .. (although u can do both and be more accurate, BB/100 for 2/4 bb/100 for 5/10 and bb/100 for both)

I dont think u need to calculate ur BB/100's by session Id do it every 1 or 2k hands if I did it manually, wait 10k hands before u get an Idea of how many BB/100 you're making.

There have been many un-informed posts in this thread. I 6-table 6 max for a living, and I know many others who play 6 max for primary income also. The best players can sustain a winrate of a bit over 3BB/100 over large sample sizes (100k+). Average semi-pros will make around 2. The increased effective rate compensates for player edge. One thing that is very important considering 6 max winrates is variance is MONSTOROUS. I know players who have won 4bb/100 over 50k then went on 40k breakeven streak with nearly identical play, pt numbers included. Though rare, good players can expierience 500BB downswings.

One of the best things about 6max is since there are no books on specifically shorthanded hold'em, a lot of good players still use flawed and exploitable strategies (especially preflop), moreso then in ring games.

Just a clarification....is the BB/100 100 hands you're in (see the flop)...or 100 hands dealt at the table? I think it's the latter, but just want to make sure

dealt at the table

I am in tears right now... Allin Made his first Meaningful Post! Oh God.. He must be feeling ill.

dick

I love you dude.

I know several 2+2ers off the top of my head that sustain a 3+-5BB/100 winrate for 6 max games. THe skill difference in them is much more massive then in full ring more often then not. I think the gap between an expert to a fish is about as great as the gap is in stud

I would be curious to hear who is over 3.9BBs over a meaningfull sample size. I am by no means an expert on 2+2ers, but in the past month I have read a moderate percentage of hush posts and have not heard of anyone who has sustained this.

Thanks for the post. I'll get back to you in 200k hands or so.

That might take awhile considering my schedule is forcing me to take a poker hiatus for awhile. FUCK!