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Preflop: akishore is BB with 6:club:, K:spade:.
UTG calls, MP calls, 2 folds, SB completes, akishore checks.
Flop: (4 SB) 6:spade:, K:diamond:, A:diamond: (4 players)
SB checks, akishore bets, akishore calls, UTG calls.
Turn: (6.50 BB) 8:heart: (3 players)
SB bets, SB folds, akishore calls.
River: (11.50 BB) 2:heart: (2 players)
akishore checks, UTG bets, akishore calls.
:?
i bet the flop, UTG raised and SB suddenly check-three-bet! i wanted to fold right there oh-so-badly, but i couldn't find it in me. i felt that would be sooo weak/tight, but obviously that's horrendous reasoning.
i decided to call the flop and raise a safe turn. well, that got shot to hell when UTG apparently planned the same thing.
i figured 2 BB to call down 11ish BB, no solid read (early in the session), eh?
i don't usually post these types of mundane hands, but this session was... interesting.
aseem
Full Version: i wanted to fold so badly, i really did! (lhe)
I don't mind your play on the flop. People 3-bet all the time with TP.
The turn is a bit different though. How many players have you come across that 3-bet the turn with only a pair, after a lot of action on the flop?
I like your reasoning for raising on the turn. But after UTG 3-bets, I fold. Once you call though, you have to call the river.
The turn is a bit different though. How many players have you come across that 3-bet the turn with only a pair, after a lot of action on the flop?
I like your reasoning for raising on the turn. But after UTG 3-bets, I fold. Once you call though, you have to call the river.
bump?
i'd like to hear some more opinions.
aseem
i'd like to hear some more opinions.
aseem
Ok, here's my thoughts, and for some reason It actually took me half my day at work to come up with my answer and the reasoning behind it.
The flop bet is good, I would play it the exact same way. However with the UTG player raising AND the SB check/3bet I'm thinking I'm beat, even though this still isn't an easy laydown. I think the only way I'm calling this flop is if I know the SB is a total nutbar! What hands is he 3 betting from a logical perspective?? Sure he could be overplaying something like AQ, AJ or worse, or maybe TP and diamond draw, but I think more likely it is an A6, 66, or a K6 ( in which case we chop). I could be way off on this one, I would love to hear some other views, because like i said...I had a hard time thinking this one through.
On a side note which i thought was a little strange. Aseem, you said that you wanted to lay this down so bad on the flop, but for some reason couldn't. If this is the case, then why are you waiting for a safe turn to raise. I mean it sounds to me like you thought you were beat on the flop....so why raise a safe turn??
The flop bet is good, I would play it the exact same way. However with the UTG player raising AND the SB check/3bet I'm thinking I'm beat, even though this still isn't an easy laydown. I think the only way I'm calling this flop is if I know the SB is a total nutbar! What hands is he 3 betting from a logical perspective?? Sure he could be overplaying something like AQ, AJ or worse, or maybe TP and diamond draw, but I think more likely it is an A6, 66, or a K6 ( in which case we chop). I could be way off on this one, I would love to hear some other views, because like i said...I had a hard time thinking this one through.
On a side note which i thought was a little strange. Aseem, you said that you wanted to lay this down so bad on the flop, but for some reason couldn't. If this is the case, then why are you waiting for a safe turn to raise. I mean it sounds to me like you thought you were beat on the flop....so why raise a safe turn??
I agree with the above post, but I don' t think I could have given this one up either. A6 and 66 is the only thing that beats you and makes sense that they could be holding. If the SB turned of AK, it would piss me off.
If I felt like laying it down on the flop and couldn't, I would just call it down. No need in raising when you already suspect you are beat.
If I felt like laying it down on the flop and couldn't, I would just call it down. No need in raising when you already suspect you are beat.
Fine.
QUOTE (Disc_Golf)
No need in raising when you already suspect you are beat.
:shock:
You often raise when you suspect you are beat., in order to increase your equity.
I like it.
The Rvier pot is actually 13.50 BB.
The turn call is 7:1 effective
You have 4 outs too.
And you may be ahead...14% of the time..certainly.
QUOTE (Actuary)
QUOTE (Disc_Golf)
No need in raising when you already suspect you are beat.
:shock:
You often raise when you suspect you are beat., in order to increase your equity.
I like it.
The Rvier pot is actually 13.50 BB.
The turn call is 7:1 effective
You have 4 outs too.
And you may be ahead...14% of the time..certainly.
It's fairly obvious that neither of these players are folding. So can you please explain what raising with the worst hand is going to accomplish??
QUOTE (RDigger)
It's fairly obvious that neither of these players are folding. So can you please explain what raising with the worst hand is going to accomplish??
why is it obvious UTG won't fold on the turn to 2 bets ?
note that the SB did fold.
care to retract your statement ? 8)
SSHE has lots of examples of raising even when you suspect you are not ahead...in order to give you the best chance to win a big pot.
QUOTE (Disc_Golf)
I agree with the above post, but I don' t think I could have given this one up either. A6 and 66 is the only thing that beats you and makes sense that they could be holding. If the SB turned of AK, it would censored me off.
If I felt like laying it down on the flop and couldn't, I would just call it down. No need in raising when you already suspect you are beat.
If I felt like laying it down on the flop and couldn't, I would just call it down. No need in raising when you already suspect you are beat.
Your missing a few hands- pocket aces or pocket kings- there are 3 possible sets not to mention the possibility of A-K- I think I am just callin here when this gets three bet. I have a decent hand considering the flop but it ain't that great.
i'm still not convinced.
okay, this is going to come off as extremely results-oriented, but i'm trying not to be biased, but rather to learn something from the results.
UTG flipped over A
4 for just a pair of aces, and i won the pot.
after playing an hour, i learned that SB is also a fellow student at MIT. we started chatting on AIM, and at the same time, as i was going through my hands, i noticed he was the SB in this hand.
i showed him the post, and asked him if he magically folded K-6, a chopping hand, or folded a weak ace, or what? he folded A-10, a better ace than UTG. i joked that i was glad i didn't fold that, and he replied in all seriousness, "i think it's very wrong to fold your hand online against an unknown in this similar situation, especially at limit six-max on stars where sooo many people are maniacal donkeys."
i've been thinking about that a lot.
oh yeah, and he's a 2+2'er, but i don't remember his 2+2 name. anyway, he knows his stuff, at least, and isn't some random internet player who thinks they're good.
again, i'm not trying to be results oriented, but i've been chewing on his advice a lot in my mind for the past 24 hours.
aseem
okay, this is going to come off as extremely results-oriented, but i'm trying not to be biased, but rather to learn something from the results.
UTG flipped over A
4 for just a pair of aces, and i won the pot.
after playing an hour, i learned that SB is also a fellow student at MIT. we started chatting on AIM, and at the same time, as i was going through my hands, i noticed he was the SB in this hand.
i showed him the post, and asked him if he magically folded K-6, a chopping hand, or folded a weak ace, or what? he folded A-10, a better ace than UTG. i joked that i was glad i didn't fold that, and he replied in all seriousness, "i think it's very wrong to fold your hand online against an unknown in this similar situation, especially at limit six-max on stars where sooo many people are maniacal donkeys."
i've been thinking about that a lot.
oh yeah, and he's a 2+2'er, but i don't remember his 2+2 name. anyway, he knows his stuff, at least, and isn't some random internet player who thinks they're good.
again, i'm not trying to be results oriented, but i've been chewing on his advice a lot in my mind for the past 24 hours.
aseem
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