Hey all,

I've got PT of course, and I've read everything I can find on analyzing one's own stats. What I haven't seen yet is something like the chart in SSHE showing which hands are most profitable and exactly how profitable over a large range of hands.

Would any of you with a medium-big database of hands be willing to share that? For example, when I look at AKs and AQo for me I see (after 7k hands):

Hand - Times - Win % - Avg/hand - BB/hand
AKs 20 65 0.84 1.04
AQo 56 37.5 (0.62) (0.06)

Big and small pairs and suited connectors I think would be particularly interesting.

I'm just curious what the hands many of us are playing average out to in the long run playing a SSHE style game. Apologies if this has been covered before and I missed it.

Jeff

Oops. Meant to post in General Strat. Move if necessary mods.

Jeff

You can't get anything close to meaningful statistics on the value of a starting hand based on seeing that starting hand 20 times. I'd guess we'd need millions of hands in a database to get anything close to reality.

Somewhere I saw a post or web page where one of the sites posted their actual winning percentages of starting hands based on real live play on the site. It was pretty much what you'd expect but surprising to see how many hand you'd play are losing hands over their sample. Now of course that's still fairly meaningless since better than 50% of the players are going to be losing players. Still if anyone remembers more details or has the link it'd be interesting.

Now if we could collect the PT databases of a couple thousand winning players and crunch those numbers ...

Right, that's actually the point of my post. I'm curious what the stats look like over a large number of hands with relatively similar playing styles. Or for that matter, even wildly differing playing styles.

Jeff

AA and KK generate almost all of your profits. Everything else pays for your rake. Which particular hands do that are too dependent on position that you receive them in and the style of your opponents, more than your own style.

wow

add "LOLOLOLOLOLOL".

aseem

my chin hit the floor.
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still haven't exhauled..........

Yeah but don't forget to limp with AXs and go all in if you hit your flush draw. That's pretty profitable too.

Wait ... this isn't the smash-strat thread?

curious thing...

If I look at all suited cards in all pos total...
It matches my profits.

Hence, all the other hands even out.

that includes the hands from when i just starting playing..

Pairs alone represent 122% of my profits...
Offsuit hands lose the same in total as pairs make, almost exactly...

so there u have it.
fold every offsuit hand unless you play pairs also, then it evens out.

and play all suited hands! :-)