**Opponent in both hands is a tight aggressive, good thinking player**

Hand 1
*6 max*
Hero has 9 9
Hero open raises utg
Folded to Opponent who 3bets on the button
Hero calls
Flop: A 10 5
Hero checks, opp bets, hero calls
Turn: 10
hero checks, opp bets, hero calls
River: 9
hero?


Hand 2
*6 max*
Opp open raises in mp1
folded to Hero in bb
Hero calls with A 8
Flop: K J 8
hero checks, opp bets, hero calls
Turn: 5
hero checks, opp bets, hero calls
River: 2
hero?

I dunno about hand 1. He could 3 bet there with a lot of hand we still have beat on the flop. But if we give him the ace, i'd imagine it's AQ AK or AJ, I doubt he'd 3 bet with AT, if so you probably are sitting in a good game.

If you lead the river will he make a crying call? meh i think it's close between leading and going for a check raise...if he is thinking and you lead on the river I gotta imagine he'll be folding almost any ace...but if you check I could see him value betting thinking you maybe got stingy with a med pair, or maybe JJ, which is basically what you did, no?

I'm not against c/c down with an under pair, i have been doing it more lately actually...I really don't think the river matters so much in hand 1 cause the times we lead and he folds which I think will be the majority of the time (unless we are beat by a weird AT, or AA/TT) is not gonna trump the amount of times we can get a c/r in.

i may have worded that wrong...so...

I don't think we lose to much value checking our boat here. He may call down if we lead, but I have to doubt this. I think going for the check raise is the best play here, but it would suck to be 3 bet against said oppenent.


I think hand 2 you can get a c/r in there. No way he can put you on a flush and he will most likely value bet his hand thinking it's good.

fwiw, why you calling down on the flop? is he open raising with QT? I guess AT is about the only hand you are a head of on the flop.

- Jordan

Hand #1-
I'd check with the intention of check-raising. If you bet here, he will not call you with anything less than an Ace most likely and if he has an Ace, he will definitely bet, so you'll be able to get in an extra bet by raising.

Hand #2-
I'd check again with the intention of check-raising. You backdoored the flush here, so it's impossible for your opponent to put you on a hand like this. If he has a King, he's going to bet for value here, anything that he'd call you with here, I'm pretty sure he'd bet the river with, so you get in an extra bet by check-raising. Lots of hands would bet the river against somebody just calling every bet, even somebody with a Jack may be betting for value in this situation and bluffers may bet the river as well, so check-raising here is good.

First hand I'd check raise seeing as how he has led every time you have checked which would lead me to believe he has an A. The 9 also isn't a scare card which would make him feel the need to slow down.

Second hand, no way I'd checkraise with the flush. Even though it is a BD draw people usually slow down if a draw gets there on the river. Leading out might even get a raise from KJ where as check-raising will probably induce a fold.

I'd lead the turn on the second hand with the pair and the nut flush draw so you could also lead the river if you hit.

Just my two cents.

i would fold the flop on the first hand.

the river i would check/raise

hand two i lead.


this is chris, btw.

Checkraise the first hand. He thinks his AK is good.

Lead the second hand. The third spade is going to frustrate him and you've just been calling. This will broadcast that you're representing the flush, or maybe he'll think you're *only* representing and reraise.

I didn't comment on any aspect other than checkraising. I also don't take hand one any further than the flop seeing as villain threebet preflop I give a good thinking player at least credit for a pp jacks or better or AK.

The reason I posted is because my default in these spots is to lead the river when I know I'm good(I want to get paid, I like money). But after considering, I think that it will definatly get bet behind me on both hands(I'm assuming the player plays a lot like I do, and I would always bet with tptk type of hands).

Hand 1, I'm thinking opponent is trying to isolate. There is a wide range of hands he could have. His flop bet doesn't scare me, what wouldn't he bet in that spot?

Hand 2, Not folding preflop, not folding the flop, not folding the turn. I don't see any reason to do anything other than check/call oop.



-Travis

I'm assuming you mean lead the river and not the flop(you're not that LAGtastic are you?)

Why lead the river? Wouldn't you bet that river if it'd been checked to you with AA,KK,,AK,KQ,KJ,JJ,AJ? I think I'd bet with any of those hands and call a raise(I'm talking about good players, like that Brandon L kid at the Bellagio 15 game. That kind of good.)
My standard line has always been to lead on these hands. So I'm trying to think through a new idea. I could be waaayyyy off.



-Travis

Yeah, I guess I'm in the minority here since everybody favors leading the river especially on the second hand. I tend to believe I can get in a check-raise here against a good player who I think will bet the river. The majority of the time, I think the river gets bet here by anyone with top pair and when you check-raise, you'll also likely get a call too. Most player want to look you up after you check-raise them.

this is an extremely generic statement but.......

why do you want to take the lead away from the aggressor? if you check and he checks behind you chances are he wasn't going to call a bet anyways.

i think c/r on both of these (although i fold the flop hand 1) is the way to go.