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krup24
PokerStars No-Limit Hold'em, $0.50 BB (6 handed) converter

Button ($55.15)
Hero ($19)
BB ($46.55)
UTG ($109.20)
MP ($102.85)
CO ($23.70)

Preflop: Hero is SB with [7d], [7c].
UTG calls $0.50, 1 fold, CO calls $0.50, Button calls $0.50, Hero completes, BB checks.

Flop: ($2.50) [7s], [3c], [Ad] (5 players)
Hero checks, BB checks, UTG checks, CO checks, Button bets $2, Hero calls $2, BB folds, UTG folds, CO calls $2.

Turn: ($8.50) [5c] (3 players)
Hero checks, CO checks, Button bets $3.5, Hero calls $3.50, CO calls $3.50.

River: ($19) [Th] (3 players)
Hero bets $13 (All-In), CO folds, Button calls $13.

Final Pot: $45

Preflop complete and no raise w/ 4 limpers ok? Isolation (I would think not)?

Post flop and Post Turn smooth calls. Both players are potentially drawing to runner runner to take me out.

My thinking was that I figured I was way ahead and wanted the largest amount of money in the pot as possible without giving up my hand.

I feel my hand is well disguised and should get paid off.

I'm figuring a semi weak ace for the Hero and a weak ace for CO.

Thanks

Krup
BeanGW
QUOTE (krup24)
I'm figuring a semi weak ace for the Hero and a weak ace for CO.
Krup


I'm thinking Hero has 7-7. Yeah, I'm a smart ass.

NH. With the Ace out there you may have gotten away with a flop push. Either way I think is fine.
greatwhite
I thought you played it well. There was no reason to reraise on that harmless flop. The turn card was a little scarey and I may of raised then, but I thought you played it fine.
looshle
I'd bet/call the flop and c/r the turn.

I really don't like the way you played it, no offense.
krup24
QUOTE (looshle)
I'd bet/call the flop and c/r the turn.

I really don't like the way you played it, no offense.


None taken

Thats y I posted it.
looshle
If there's an ace out there, you're going to get action and probably are going to get raised on the flop, where they are going to commit themselves to the pot more so than if you just check/call the flop. By bet/calling the flop, a lot of people will put in a protective bet on the turn which is where they start to commit themselves.

Good players are going to try to protect against any type of draw and are more likely to make a bigger turn bet. The button will have put enough money in at this point to commit himself to calling your all in.

If a club comes on the river or some sort of straight filling card, he might be hesitant to pay you off but if you get your money in before any draw hits, you'll have a much better chance of being paid off by the bare ace.
krup24
QUOTE (looshle)
If there's an ace out there, you're going to get action and probably are going to get raised on the flop, where they are going to commit themselves to the pot more so than if you just check/call the flop. By bet/calling the flop, a lot of people will put in a protective bet on the turn which is where they start to commit themselves.

Good players are going to try to protect against any type of draw and are more likely to make a bigger turn bet. The button will have put enough money in at this point to commit himself to calling your all in.

If a club comes on the river or some sort of straight filling card, he might be hesitant to pay you off but if you get your money in before any draw hits, you'll have a much better chance of being paid off by the bare ace.



Thanks Looshle
jayistheman
QUOTE (looshle)
I'd bet/call the flop and c/r the turn.

I really don't like the way you played it, no offense.


the cr is pretty much an action killer... i wouldnt ever use it in this spot...

id prolly lead out the whole way.. if i got raised, id fly all in.
CobaltBlue
Are you playing according to short-stack theory? If not, why is your stack so small?
looshle
QUOTE (jayistheman)
QUOTE (looshle)
I'd bet/call the flop and c/r the turn.  

I really don't like the way you played it, no offense.


the cr is pretty much an action killer... i wouldnt ever use it in this spot...

id prolly lead out the whole way.. if i got raised, id fly all in.


Not really an action killer when the button is pretty much forced to call your all in.
Rocketwadster
Someone mentioned the turn card was a scare-card...not sure why? Because there are now two clubs? Because someone could have the 2 and 4? Or the 4 and the 6? That card is NOT a scare card IMO, in any way, in NL.

Well played hand. 8)
pokerplayer24
QUOTE
Someone mentioned the turn card was a scare-card...not sure why? Because there are now two clubs? Because someone could have the 2 and 4? Or the 4 and the 6? That card is NOT a scare card IMO, in any way, in NL.


It is obviously a scare card since a 2 4 or 6 coming out puts a 1 card straight on the board. Being low limits someone could easily have a hand like 76, 74, A4 etc etc.

I think you got the most out of the hand but I think I would have raised the turn. By pushing on that river most decent players would have dumped anything other then a good 2 pair.
Rocketwadster
QUOTE (pokerplayer24)
QUOTE
Someone mentioned the turn card was a scare-card...not sure why? Because there are now two clubs? Because someone could have the 2 and 4? Or the 4 and the 6? That card is NOT a scare card IMO, in any way, in NL.


It is obviously a scare card since a 2 4 or 6 coming out puts a 1 card straight on the board. Being low limits someone could easily have a hand like 76, 74, A4 etc etc.

I think you got the most out of the hand but I think I would have raised the turn. By pushing on that river most decent players would have dumped anything other then a good 2 pair.


Maybe I am playing at the wrong NL tables then (I don't play NL very often), but in my experience the starting hand requirements are totally different for the majority of players than at a limit game, even at these low stakes (which are higher than I play at NL BTW).

Unless your opponents have ace 2, ace 4, or ace 6, I do not believe this to be a scare card.
looshle
QUOTE (Rocketwadster)
QUOTE (pokerplayer24)
QUOTE
Someone mentioned the turn card was a scare-card...not sure why? Because there are now two clubs? Because someone could have the 2 and 4? Or the 4 and the 6? That card is NOT a scare card IMO, in any way, in NL.


It is obviously a scare card since a 2 4 or 6 coming out puts a 1 card straight on the board. Being low limits someone could easily have a hand like 76, 74, A4 etc etc.

I think you got the most out of the hand but I think I would have raised the turn. By pushing on that river most decent players would have dumped anything other then a good 2 pair.


Maybe I am playing at the wrong NL tables then (I don't play NL very often), but in my experience the starting hand requirements are totally different for the majority of players than at a limit game, even at these low stakes (which are higher than I play at NL BTW).

Unless your opponents have ace 2, ace 4, or ace 6, I do not believe this to be a scare card.


The point is that a set is such a good hand not only because of its stength but because of how disguised it is. If the OP plans on pushing on the river, he should do it on the turn because any 2, 4, 6, or club is going to reduce the chances of a call. An all in on the turn has a better chance of being called by just a pair of aces on that uncoordinated board.
Rocketwadster
QUOTE (looshle)
The point is that a set is such a good hand not only because of its stength but because of how disguised it is.  If the OP plans on pushing on the river, he should do it on the turn because any 2, 4, 6, or club is going to reduce the chances of a call.  An all in on the turn has a better chance of being called by just a pair of aces on that uncoordinated board.


Now THAT is a much better explanation of how it is a scare card, not due to being beaten by the straight, but rather due to our chances of being called by a hand that we can beat go down. :clap:

That is a fact that I think many of us fail to recognize on a regular basis.
krup24
QUOTE (CobaltBlue)
Are you playing according to short-stack theory? If not, why is your stack so small?



LOL Just lost a $70 pot 3 hands before this
krup24
Seems like the reviews are mixed

Some say well played

Others think the turn was misplayed

I appreciate all the "regulars" here to respond

Thanks more hands to come
Rocketwadster
I stick by my first analysis - it was a well played hand. :clap:
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