Table is loose passive. 10 handed party poker.

Preflop: Hero is BB with 6 4
2 players limp, CO raises, button calls, SB folds, Hero calls, limpers call.

Flop: (10.5 SB) K 7 3 (5 players)
Hero checks, limpers check, CO bets, button folds, Hero...

What do you do and why?
I'll post the rest of the hand later.

Call, good enough price for gutshot.

Call turn if you pick up a flush draw, otherwise fold UI.

I agree.
But what about a raise here?
Care to list the pros and cons of each in this situation?



Patience. I said I'd post the rest of the hand later :-)

I don't like check raising here. Usually villian will have enough to call one small bet, and you don't have much of a hand to lead again on the turn UI.

IF you had open end, or pair and a straight draw, I would probably check raise. I would do this because if villian does call, I could lead out again on the turn with the number of outs I have, and a little fold equity. If he calls on turn, we've still got a lot of outs, b/c with a hand like that, you can call a turn bet. However, with just a gutshot, you can't call a turn bet. I think that's why I just like the call line; your draw isn't that big.

Raising doesn't do much for you. I mean, it's likely that someone hit that king, and they're not going anywhere. Calling and folding UI on the turn is the right line. You're only going to win if you hit the straight or a backdoor flush.

Do you really think the CO is raising to steal your blind? There's two limpers behind him.

What're his stats?

Are there any types of players that you are going to advocate check raising against in this spot?

I think against any opponent, calling, folding turn UI is best, but I could be wrong....

Haha, you're right. Lousy title.

What about a semi-bluff raise?
We are against passive opponents, so a dangerous 3-bet is unlikely. Also, this board is fairly uncoordinated (besides the flush draw). If no one has a pair of kings, we may be able to take this pot down UI on the turn. CO does not necessarily have kings, since he was the PF aggressor. Does this semi-bluff raise have to succeed all that often to be profitable?


I raised. Call it a misclick, brain freeze, or stroke of genius. Here's the rest of the hand:

Table is loose passive. 10 handed party poker.

Preflop: Hero is BB with 6 4
2 players limp, CO raises, button calls, SB folds, Hero calls, limpers call.

Flop: (10.5 SB) K 7 3 (5 players)
Hero checks, limpers check, CO bets, button folds, Hero raises, first limper calls, second folds, CO calls.

Turn: (8.25 BB) 5 (3 players)
Hero bets, limper calls, CO folds.

River: (10.25 BB) J (2 players)
Hero...

What's my play here?
Check/call, check/fold, bet/call, or bet/fold?

clarkmeister...bet/fold. You're getting called by worse hands but not raised by worse hands.

but the thing is, we have a straight, which has showdown value, I really don't want to fold a straight here more often then not.



a clark works when you are OOP and with a hand like TP or two pair

i hate the checkraise.

there are no overcards to clean up, and your draw obviously isn't strong enough to raise for equity.

just call the flop.

the river is a standard bet/fold... clarkmeister.

aseem

kdawg, the river is close, but i think we can still safely fold to a raise. if you don't want to fold, check/calling is obviously better. this is also the case when you're up against an aggressive opponent.

aseem

didn't notice the CR, that blows balls. If the pot was a lot bigger and there were more people in it, then yeah.


again, this isn't a clark as not all of the condiditions are met here to do a clark

Fair enough Kdawg, but do you really think you're getting raised on the river by anything other than a flush?

fuck if I know. I'm just sayin that this hand has showdown value so I don't want to fold it

Ok,

I really hate the bet/fold. As Kdawg has said, the hand has showdown value, so I don't fold it.

My play during this hand is to call on the flop (as everyone else here would) and check/call the river.

I stole this hand from an Ed Miller quiz and got both the flop and river wrong (but so did just about everyone else :twisted: ).

Ed Miller recommends a flop check/raise semi-bluff. I would never even consider this move, but he gives some pretty good reasons for it. Maybe I'll run some numbers later to figure out how much this play has to work for us to succeed. He also states that calling is OK, but not as strong as raising.

He also recommends bet/call on the river. This is starting to make some sense to me, since our opponent will check behind more hands then he will call with.

Anyway, most of the responses have been what I expected, so I thought this hand would help most people.

Here's the link (hand #4):

http://www.cgtv.com/games/column/063004/qu...7&XZ2=245798164

I still hate the check raise.

You're not in position either

I don't like it either, but if Ed Miller recommends it, I think it's worth trying to open your mind up to it a little bit.



You are in the best possible position to semi-bluff raise. The only person who's shown strenght is the PF raiser. His bet on the flop doesn't necessarily mean anything.

When he bets, there are no callers in between you two. You can face the field with a raise which has a good chance to get the pot heads up. On the turn, you will be first to act. This is the best position to continue with your bluff.

I like the raise more already :-)