I just sat with $2,000, villian has $1150.

I post in the C/O with Ad 3d Th 5h. Villain min raises UTG, folded to me, I min raise again, he calls, everyone folds. Pot's at ~150.

Flop is 2d 4h Kh. He bets $100 into me.

I....

Edit: PLO8, btw, just to be clear.

Stakes are a little higher than I'm used to, but
I can safely say I'm potting this about 98% of the time.

Hmm.

Why would you pot it here?

I think you've flopped a huge hand and a pot raise here
allows you to take control, I think.

You've obviously got the nut low if another low card
shows up, you've got a low flush draw, and a backdoor
straight draw to braodway if the turn is a high card.

At worst, you'll probably get him to check to you on the
turn if an undesirable card comes, which I would think
would allow you to peel off a free river, if you felt the need.

A pot bet might scoop the whole thing here too, which is
never too bad an outcome.

Do you fold if he re-raises?

I'd re-raise almost anything here if someone potted this, BTW

I'm not too good at POL8 but is folding really an option? You've got the nut low, 2nd nut flush draw, and a wheel draw.

I can't imagine him betting that with an A3 combination so I think you have at least half the pot. A 3 or 5 that comes out still gives you nut low.

I'd say you're freerolling for high right now and I'd pot it.

I'd probably go broke too.....

How are we doing against KK with some sort of rough low redraw here.

Anyone?

I don't know the odds for PLO/8 very well, but I imagine we're behind a little bit (something like 55-45 in terms of total equity share), but we'll have a lot more information on the turn, so I'm probably checking here and not giving the villian a chance to check-boom if he's smart.

I want to keep this pot small until the turn.

As an added bonus, checking this flop seems like it would encourage turn action if a good one slides of. If something like the 8h or 5c comes off, our hand's going to be a lot stronger than our opponent can give us credit for when we check the turn.

What does everyone else think?

Ice

I think villan bet the flop.
Thats what I think,

oh..i'd call.

but you are not asking me..

We can't check it's a $100 bet.

****ing stupid facts.

Call.

I don't know anything about PLO8, but your high hands would be two straight possibilities, flush draw, and runner runner QJ or AA. Low is obvious

To scoop, you're only looking at a 5 or 6, or maybe the 7 to come off, right?
I'd say call, but if that's right it would just be fish's luck.

:shock:

1) How is this the 2nd nut flush draw? He has the 10 5
and the K is on the board. That leaves the A Q
and J out there, which would make us the 4th nut flush draw.
And at this point in the hand we have NO low, as there isn't
one possible...We have a nut low DRAW, but that's about it.

:shock:

2) Only a 5 or 6, or 7 of hearts to scoop?? How so??
Any ace or 6 I would think is an auto-scoop, the 5 is not a guaranteed
scoop, as it makes higher straights possible, while at the same
time giving us the nut low. And how exactly does a 7
help us to scoop this??

Quotes like these remind me just why this game can be so profitable
at the lower limits...

D'oh, I thought the K was in his hand, not on the flop, same as looshe. Which would be why the 7 would be good. I missed the Ace poss.

BTW, I don't play PLO8 or H/L, and now you know why.

I call, turn is 8d.

He leads $150 into me.

I....

Pot, since you've picked up now the nut low,
and nut diamond flush draw.

You've got the uncounterfeitable nut lows,
and now both flush draws, not to mention
a donk that keeps betting at you in an ever
growing pot...I'm thinking by this point it's
gonna cost him all his chips to try and boat us
off on the river, but I still think you're a lock
for 1/2 the pot. (ie . not getting quartered)

I just sat with $2,000, villian has $1150.

I post in the C/O with Ad 3d Th 5h. Villain min raises UTG, folded to me, I min raise again, he calls, everyone folds. Pot's at ~150.

Flop is 2d 4h Kh. He bets $100 into me.



I don't know how good the players are at 2k level. But if I were to play it at 400 level which I would be less likely to mess around (bluffing a lot of pots, ...), then,

Preflop
When you min-reraised him back and he didn't pot you back, the chance of him holding AA was slim.

Flop
You had good draws on the low and ok draws on the high. Normal play (or if I don't know much about my opponent) would be call, the problem was your revealing your hand strength to observing opponents and you might not get much actions if you drew to a monster.

On the low draws,
- you could scoop with an Ace but it will be less likely since you could assume your opponent has got an Ace.
- A three or five you could be quartered.
- A six you will be likely getting at least 3/4 of the pot.
- A 7/8 you will win the low but you could be quartered.

Weighing the expected results on the low draws, it's a call.

On the high draws, not much strength either since your flush draw is non-nut. You could draw to a straight but unless it's an Ace or six, you could be 1/4'ed.

Now put a variety hands on your opponent.

If he's got Ah 3h 2s Kd or A3 then JJ, QQ, KK with higher flush draws, then you are about 1 to 2 underdog.

If he's got A3 with higher flush draws your still a slight underdog.

If he's got A4, A5 with higher flush draws your only a slight favorite.

If you were against any other hands then you could be a huge favorite. The problem was, you just sit your ass down and you don't want to get killed at your first hand.

So the conservative play is to call, after all, your hand is only a drawing hand, you don't want to put more money in unless you are sure your the favorite.

Turn


You've got the uncounterfeitable low and great high draws, and more importantly, your villian was showing weakness. Raise him close to the pot (pot bet will be $800), even if he pots you back, at worst your a slight underdog. If he folded, just be happy you took a nice pot the very first hand, and other players might think your a crazy maniac. It's good for your future plays (Again, this is assuming you didn't know other players well).

Do you fold if he re-raises?

I'd re-raise almost anything here if someone potted this, BTW

Can you explain your reasons?

Good luck.

pot it.

to echo bdc30...

uncouterfeitable low
nut flush diomand draw and possible best flush draw in hearts

for opponnent to call, seems like he'd need Ace and 3 and either Ax or KK with a flush draws

but...I'm like Steppin...don't play much and nver at that level...

....raise him 250 more.

If you call, pot is 650, he has 825 left; raise gets pot to 1150 and he has 575 (assuming he calls) and will be pot-comitted.

I don't think there is any card that could come on the river that would make me fold in the face of a pot sized bet from him, so my money is going in on this hand - worst case is I lose 550 ish.

It doesn't look like he has a 2-way hand, or I would expect him to be trying to get more in now (e.g. AA3x, suited in hearts is worst possible case, or A23x hearts)). More likely he has A24x , maybe with hearts, given the min raise from UTG and call of your re-raise. You have so many scoop (or 3/4) outs that you have to get more money in here ahead of the river. Trouble is, if you pot it here then he may run.

Good points! :clap: :clap: :clap: :clap:

What did you do Smash? More importantly why? Don't just write raise, fold, call all those craps.

Oh, by the way,

Good luck.

All the money went i and I chopped with quad kings when the river was Kd.

Cest la geurre.

What's his other two cards? Two junk lows?

What did you do on the turn? Why?

What's his other two cards?


QQ, one diamond.

I potted, eh went all in, I called.

Or I put him all in and he called, don't recal offhand.

You took all his money later on? I smelt a grilled seabass.

Bon Appétit.

You took all his money later on?


Sadly no

I ended up about $60 ahead, he left with about 5 grand.

I saw the problem with Villian was his turn play when he got committed before the river, he's a huge underdog.

I ended up about $60 ahead

I think you are too tight, may be you are hiding your tricky aggressive plays from the forum.