Steppin Razor
Saturday, August 20th, 2005, 5:55 PM
Hey all. I've been having lots of problems when I flop a straight, OESD+redraws to higher straights, or both made straight+higher straight draws.
I usually bet 2/3 or 3/4 of the pot to make it incorrect for flush draws or sets looking for a full house. However, it doesn't seem to work very often. Making it incorrect to call is how you make money in Limit HE, but seems like it's no use in PLO. Is it a factor of PL/NL play, implied odds making it correct to chase no matter the bet, or bad players not doing what they're supposed to?
Thanks
Stallion714
Saturday, August 20th, 2005, 10:49 PM
In Omaha one person can have a set + straight draw+ flush draw on the flop easily. It rarely happens in HE, when it does the board is so coordinated you probably wouldn't be confident in betting a str8 then either.
Smasharoo
Sunday, August 21st, 2005, 1:56 AM
I usually bet 2/3 or 3/4 of the pot to make it incorrect for flush draws or sets looking for a full house. However, it doesn't seem to work very often. Making it incorrect to call is how you make money in Limit HE, but seems like it's no use in PLO. Is it a factor of PL/NL play, implied odds making it correct to chase no matter the bet, or bad players not doing what they're supposed to?
1. You're ussually not making it incorrect.
2. You're ussually behind when you flop a straight, so you're probably making it incorrect for yourself to draw.
Now, that's of no use.
Good luck.
Steppin Razor
Sunday, August 21st, 2005, 6:15 AM
QUOTE (Smasharoo)
1. You're ussually not making it incorrect.
2. You're ussually behind when you flop a straight, so you're probably making it incorrect for yourself to draw.
Now, that's of no use.
Good luck.
1. Can you elaborate? If I bet $15 into a $20 pot, that's 2.3:1. Flush/FH draws shouldn't come along, right? They have 9 outs on the river, ~4:1
2. Should I fold straights if I don't also have a flush draw or FH draw to go with it? Is having the higher straight redraws not really that great?
Thanks
Stallion714
Sunday, August 21st, 2005, 5:31 PM
For example.
You:As9sAh10h vs Him:QcKcQdAd
Flop comes
Jd8dQh
Nut str8 on the flop is a huge dog.
If you take away his str8 draw by giving him the jack of clubs instead of the K. He's still just under 2-1 fav.
Take away his set by giving him the 10 of diamonds instead of the Q, and his still a slight favorite.
Folding the nuts is prob not right. Check calling I guess would be fine. Raising is fine. It'd truly suck to get reraised, and if they just go along for the ride be very carefull.
Steppin Razor
Sunday, August 21st, 2005, 7:44 PM
How 'bout this one?
I have K

10

J

A
Flop came 9

Q

8
I bet, there's a raise, and a call. What do I do?
Stallion714
Sunday, August 21st, 2005, 9:00 PM
You could be playing for half the pot, but a call would be fine. I'm guessing you'd be getting 4 or more-1. If the pot's somehow pretty small I'd take it off just to save some aggravation.
Stallion714
Sunday, August 21st, 2005, 9:27 PM
You could be playing for half the pot, but a call would be fine. I'm guessing you'd be getting 4 or more-1. If the pot's somehow pretty small I'd take it off just to save some aggravation.
nosoul
Monday, August 22nd, 2005, 9:52 AM
QUOTE (Steppin Razor)
How 'bout this one?
I have K

10

J

A
Flop came 9

Q

8
I bet, there's a raise, and a call. What do I do?
Call. But be very careful. If you no longer have the nuts at any point, you'll need to get away from it. There's a good chance you're tied right now, but the other player might have a flush draw to go with the straight. The best you can hope is that the raiser has a set of queens and the caller has a flush draw. It's more likely the raiser has the straight with a draw, though. Any more clubs, you're out. Board pairs, you're out.
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