Hand Start.
Seat 1 : haunt has $2.16
Seat 2 : JustFishin3 has $9.24
Seat 3 : themack has $1.95
Seat 4 : dazzy-d has $4.97
Seat 5 : bubsqueak has $1.50
Seat 7 : Siddie has $13.25
Seat 8 : bpimp1181 has $1.96
Seat 9 : Lohse has $5
dazzy-d is the dealer.
bubsqueak posted small blind.
Siddie posted big blind.
Game [60010] started with 8 players.
Dealing Hole Cards.
Seat 2 : JustFishin3 has Ad 9s
bpimp1181 folded.
Lohse folded.
haunt folded.
JustFishin3 called $0.10
themack folded.
dazzy-d folded.
bubsqueak called $0.05
Siddie raised $0.20
JustFishin3 called $0.20
bubsqueak folded.
Dealing flop.
Board cards [Td Ah Qd]
Siddie bet $0.40
JustFishin3 called $0.40
Dealing turn.
Board cards [Td Ah Qd 9d]
Siddie bet $1
JustFishin3 called $1
Dealing river.
Board cards [Td Ah Qd 9d 7d]
Siddie bet $2
JustFishin3 called $2 and raised $5.54 and is All-in
Siddie called $5.54

Did i play this good or should i have folded the flop or turn, i feel i had good reasons to call the turn, possibly even raise the turn, but im more weary of my flop call, thinking since he raise PF, he might have me outkicked, or could have flopped a straight KJ or something to the like. Please, feedback would be great.

Fold preflop and post flop in my opinion. Also, I would raise the turn.

I wish y'all would either use the converter or at least make these more readable.

Fold preflop. Then fold to the raise PF.

Flop... meh, I don't really think it matters too much. The bet is small enough where a call could be justified, hoping to make the four flush on the turn. You've got OK implied odds, considering he may have a lower diamond, or have difficulty getting away from his Ace, and you can make up some bets I think when you hit. But I think it's close.

Turn, I guess I'd raise to at least 2. Your plan here is to either milk the hand for more cash when you hit your card, or see a cheap showdown in the event he has a better two pair.

now, why do you guys suggest folding preflop, and to the preflop raise, the players at this level will raise with hands like J10, even QJ, for some reason i think this wasn't necessarily a good or bad call, because if i hit my Ace, i feel my kicker could be good, and if it isn't i can always fold.

Because A9o is a weak, easily dominated hand. If you hit your ace you still can't be sure your kicker is good. So if you want your poker career to last any real length of time - you will fold crappy hands like this pre-flop.

The exception of course is if you are Chris Ferguson and know how to play this hand.

Yea, but at this level i can honestly say unless they raise alot, (.50 or more) im not folding this hand at these tables, its so likely that they can be raising with any Ace, yes, normally i don't play weak hands to raises but i honestly feel like i didn't play this wrong, People are wild at this level.

now, why do you guys suggest folding preflop, and to the preflop raise, the players at this level will raise with hands like J10, even QJ,

They will even play A9o.

Just cause people at this level suck doesnt mean you should to.

yea but i can figure out when im beat or when im outkicked, and even though i got lucky this single hand, i normally dont call raises with this hand.

So what you're saying is that it's easy to play hands like this when you're calling with A9o?

So if you think this is a good hand to play pre-flop, and you know how to play it post flop . . . why did you post here asking for advice?

im not trying to sound like an ass, but i feel my preflop hand selection is fine. Im just asking the question of do you think my call on the flop is good, is it justified, stuff like that, i feel preflop i did nothing wrong.

I don't get it. If you think your preflop was justified, how did the flop do anything to damage that assumption? If you thought ace-hi was going to be best before the flop enough to warrant a call, what suddenly changed? If someone's raising with KJ, he's betting when he makes a pair.

Right?

Also, don't fucking just copy the handhistory. Use a converter, or convert by hand, or I'll find you and kill you.

Ice

Fold Preflop

Preflop's fine.

Fold the flop.
Fold the turn.
Fold the river.

listen to this man.

Whoa! This flies in the face of Smasharooist NL strategy. :shock:

If everyone's playing any Ace. Than yeah I could see playing this for a raise. I'd rather just fold, or give away my first born son, than just call if that was the case. Under normal circumstances it's an easy fold.
Then, after I raised and was called. Like Iceman said; since we thought that ace would be good to begin with we could prob. go for a raise. Which to me is about even with fold, and then calling coming in a distant third.
After this, the turn becomes inconsequential because the other streets were played drastically different.

Under normal circumstances it's an easy fold.


Hi.

No it's not.

In Limit it would be, but not in NL.

Good luck.

Go on.

Go on.

You're kidding, right?

Agree with Smash, you don't have to fold pre-flop in this situation. But, you need to be more aggressive here if you're going to play a crappy Ace.

You should re-raise pre-flop to find out where you're at. If he comes back over the top, you are probably done with the hand unless you flop two pair or four to a nut flush plus a pair.

If he calls your rr and then he checks to you on the flop, you can bet strong. If he calls you here, then you are, again, probably done with the hand.

If he calls your rr and then leads out on the flop, you should dump your hand in the muck.

None of the aforementioned is hard and fast, it all depends on the situation. I don't like playing A-6 thru A-9 off unless I'm on the b or the c, but if you're going to play it, play it aggressive and wave off if it's going to be a hard landing.

M

The way i see it, you can limp with mostly anything preflop with deep stacks at those limits (or more specifically, the players at those limits) provided that you aren't going to call large bets with A/9 when the flop comes out like that.

Any hand that you'll get action from there has you crushed.

No I'm not kidding. I'd just like you to elaborate.

As I said earlier, I think the flop decision may be close. I think with the pair of Aces and the BD nut flush draw it's worth one BB (or basically the equivalent thereof) to see the turn. Considering you are playing a weak Ace to begin with, what kind of flop were you hoping for? A-9-9? An Ace and two undercards to your 9?

I suppose the argument can be made that deep stack poker changes Smash's theorum a bit to allow you to play these speculative hands preflop. In general, I tend to stick with a strict interpretation of playing suited Aces for the flush, pushing Aces and K's, and limping with pocket pairs to hit your set. I see absolutely nothing -EV about folding this hand preflop.

Unless you are a solid post-flop player, I think you save a lot more bets by folding preflop more often than you gain bets by playing them.

Finally, for Smash to say to fold the turn (where we have 4 outs to the full boat and 9 to the nut flush) and river (am I mistaken or doesn't the OP have the nut flush there???) simply seems absolutely insane.

uhhhh.
I thought you were being Sarcastic Smash...since OP was not accepting the preflop advice...and it does not go with yuor Strategy...and OP may have likely paid off a better hand..hence the genesis of the strategy..PUSH EDGES when u have them...it was A9 off after all.

and no, I don't want to play u HU.

NL is not rocket science folks . . . fold this hand pre-flop. What's so hard to understand about not calling a raise when you are likely behind? If you want to learn how to play deep stack nl, first learn how to play fundamentally sound poker. As far as thinking the pre-flop play is good, it's not unless you have a reason to believe the villain was making some kind of pre-flop move. Then you MIGHT, MIGHT, possibly, perhaps want to defend. Otherwise fold.

As to the flop play, it's no good either . . . with a weak, easily dominated hand you flat called with no clue where you might be at. Then despite about fifty thousand hands that could beat you, you went all in. That is the golden road to being broke in NL.

Bad pre-flop play, bad post-flop play. To borrow the famous words of another poster . . . have a nice day.

Just stop....

There were like a BAZILLION hands that beat him on the river....like none.
Get off your high horse and learn how to read the board.

This isn't exact, but OP's hand was tied for around the 110th best hand with any other A9off, meaning that ten-handed, 8 out of 10 times someone was dealt a hand that beats him - whether they stayed in or not, who knows...

He had the nuts when he pushed, or do flushes not count?

Sorry, misread the 7[size=13][b]D on the river, my bad.

This reduces the hands that beat him to two, so yeah, I'm the big donk now.

Generally not in my home games, they are considered a lesser hand, much like trips versus two pair.

Also mis-read the river . . .

the reason i feel my preflop play is good is because people at this level will raise with A2, Q9 and stuff like that, he could of easily been betting a pair of 10's or Q's, its not unheard of at this level, or the table i was at. I actually feel that at this table and level, people will bet here with a Q or a 10, thats just what i think though. Don't think i play this hand for anything more than this raise, i will fold in a heartbeat, like i normally do for raises, but in this spot for .20 cents i believe its worth it to take a shot.

But you still need to re-raise preflop if you're going to do so.

Or, better yet raise initially pre-flop.

People at this level will play junk, fine, whatever.

That means absolutely nothing to our analysis of the hand, I'm really sick of overgeneralizing competition. Its simple, there are loose fish and there are tight fish. There are aggressive fish and there are passive fish. I've tracked lower limit tables at stars just for the hell of it and you see a wide range of players, so unless you have a specific read on villian, the overall statment that table is full of crazy donkeys doesn't really mean anything.

A9 o does suck preflop. I hate anyone who advocates open limping with this hand :twisted: , but you can make it work I suppose.

A9o sucks on a board of A Q 10 or whatever it was, but I suppose to that flop bet, I believe it was a little less than 1/2 the pot, there's not too much harm in seeing what we can pull off on the turn, and also how our opponent will bet the turn.

You became a lucky on the turn and finally we made it to a street where I like your play. Smooth call here is best. Board is too coordinated to think that we are ahead, but we have soo many outs we can call and stack him on the river, which you did. Nice catch.

Next time use the converter.

Board cards [Td Ah Qd 9d 7d]

6d8d, 8dJd, JdKd beats him.

Learning how to read the board makes hold'em alot easier.

Oh yea, and your saddle's crooked.

And learning not to be weak tight when it would require both of your villain's hole cards to make a straight flush when you have the nut flush makes hold'em a lot more profitable. :wink:

At these super small stakes, folding the river would simply be a horrible horrible decision.

The only decision that would depend in part on exactly how lousy your villain was, and whether you had some very good reads, would be whether to just call, or push the river.

And learning not to be weak tight when it would require both of your villain's hole cards to make a straight flush when you have the nut flush makes hold'em a lot more profitable. Wink

Never said to slow down or not go all in.

Just find it funny when people try to nail their point across and are wrong,

i knew which hands beat me at that point, but since he did actually raise preflop i couldnt put him on 6 - 8 or 8J, yes, theres a possibility he could have KJ, but ill pay it off everytime i have the Ace high flush. And actually this guy was raising alot of pots (not winning alot though, he folded on the flop and turn alot.), not trying to sound like i need to save myself but its the truth.