This happened in a 1/2 NL Live Game. I am mid position with 88 (suits don't have relevance here) early position(been raising alot of pots without having to showdown) raises to $4 everyone folds to me, I call, both blinds fold.
Flop is 7-6-2 rainbow
He bets $5, I raise to $10, He calls
Turn is a 3
He now checks, I bet the pot, and he calls.
River is a 9
He now comes out firing with a pot sized bet. Sould i get off this hand, do I have too much $$$ committed not to call? What hands could I put him on right now? What should I do?
Thanks, I will respond with the actual outcome later.
Full Version: nl holdem-playing overpair after flop
Make good decision early so that you can make easy decisions later.
88 is not a good hand to call an aggressor when it's headsup, too many overcards can scare me. You need to have a version of what you plan to do with this hand few steps ahead, you need to know the strength of this hand in advance (you may have overestimated its strength).
88 is only good when there are enough players, I only hope to flop a set against them or it's easy muck.
With that said, UTG minimum raised preflop. The pot was $11 and he only bet out $5 on the flop. Your $10 raise was sick. Raise more like $20. If you get called, you can put him on two overcards. If he come over the top, you fold. You may be thinking since you've got overpair and he's an aggressor then you are entitled to take his whole stack, however that's not the case, just be happy to take the pot right there. You only take a monster pot with a monster hand. Weak overpair, however, is not the case.
88 is not a good hand to call an aggressor when it's headsup, too many overcards can scare me. You need to have a version of what you plan to do with this hand few steps ahead, you need to know the strength of this hand in advance (you may have overestimated its strength).
88 is only good when there are enough players, I only hope to flop a set against them or it's easy muck.
With that said, UTG minimum raised preflop. The pot was $11 and he only bet out $5 on the flop. Your $10 raise was sick. Raise more like $20. If you get called, you can put him on two overcards. If he come over the top, you fold. You may be thinking since you've got overpair and he's an aggressor then you are entitled to take his whole stack, however that's not the case, just be happy to take the pot right there. You only take a monster pot with a monster hand. Weak overpair, however, is not the case.
QUOTE (JacKingOff_suit)
Make good decision early so that you can make easy decisions later.
88 is not a good hand to call an aggressor when it's headsup, too many overcards can scare me. You need to have a version of what you plan to do with this hand few steps ahead, you need to know the strength of this hand in advance (you may have overestimated its strength).
88 is only good when there are enough players, I only hope to flop a set against them or it's easy muck.
With that said, UTG minimum raised preflop. The pot was $11 and he only bet out $5 on the flop. Your $10 raise was sick. Raise more like $20. If you get called, you can put him on two overcards. If he come over the top, you fold. You may be thinking since you've got overpair and he's an aggressor then you are entitled to take his whole stack, however that's not the case, just be happy to take the pot right there. You only take a monster pot with a monster hand. Weak overpair, however, is not the case.
88 is not a good hand to call an aggressor when it's headsup, too many overcards can scare me. You need to have a version of what you plan to do with this hand few steps ahead, you need to know the strength of this hand in advance (you may have overestimated its strength).
88 is only good when there are enough players, I only hope to flop a set against them or it's easy muck.
With that said, UTG minimum raised preflop. The pot was $11 and he only bet out $5 on the flop. Your $10 raise was sick. Raise more like $20. If you get called, you can put him on two overcards. If he come over the top, you fold. You may be thinking since you've got overpair and he's an aggressor then you are entitled to take his whole stack, however that's not the case, just be happy to take the pot right there. You only take a monster pot with a monster hand. Weak overpair, however, is not the case.
this covers it
A few things about this hand that don't sit right...
1) I've played $1-2 NL live before...Min raises don't usually
narrow the field to heads up...Hell, $10 raises usually see
4-5 way action, I have my doubts on that one.
2) What's with the lame min raise on the flop?
If you want to protect your hand from a draw
(though it doesn't look like there are many there)
you need to raise more than just the size of the guy's $5 bet.
3) Your hand isn't really all that strong...A pot sized bet here
when you've got $42 invested in the pot seems to me to
be a pretty easy fold. Push edges when you're a big favourite
70%+ like the Smash system.
As for hands to put him on...well...I'm thinking he either hit
some type of garbage straight on you, 2 pairs by playing the
infamous soooted connectors, or he had you beaten from the
start with a pair of 10's or jacks.
Depending on your reads and observations too, he might also
be playing a missed overcard draw with something like AK
but it would take a hell of a read there to call him down
with pocket 8's, I think.
1) I've played $1-2 NL live before...Min raises don't usually
narrow the field to heads up...Hell, $10 raises usually see
4-5 way action, I have my doubts on that one.
2) What's with the lame min raise on the flop?
If you want to protect your hand from a draw
(though it doesn't look like there are many there)
you need to raise more than just the size of the guy's $5 bet.
3) Your hand isn't really all that strong...A pot sized bet here
when you've got $42 invested in the pot seems to me to
be a pretty easy fold. Push edges when you're a big favourite
70%+ like the Smash system.
As for hands to put him on...well...I'm thinking he either hit
some type of garbage straight on you, 2 pairs by playing the
infamous soooted connectors, or he had you beaten from the
start with a pair of 10's or jacks.
Depending on your reads and observations too, he might also
be playing a missed overcard draw with something like AK
but it would take a hell of a read there to call him down
with pocket 8's, I think.
You played it like a donkey IMO, and now you must fold like a donkey. He has trips nines or ace nine suited. 
raise more on te flop. It is almost never correct to raise the min.
You have position and a decent holding.
Pot size raise on the flop. The rest of your decisions become easy to make.
*There could be a better play however if you had a particular read on villian. But without read, pot sized raise on flop is best, imo.
BTW, your live 1/2 game sucks, I'm guessing its not at a casino. BB folded to mini raise. Mini raise got it to heads up? I'm agreeing with the other poster, that's very odd.
Pot size raise on the flop. The rest of your decisions become easy to make.
*There could be a better play however if you had a particular read on villian. But without read, pot sized raise on flop is best, imo.
BTW, your live 1/2 game sucks, I'm guessing its not at a casino. BB folded to mini raise. Mini raise got it to heads up? I'm agreeing with the other poster, that's very odd.
Strange as it is, I've seen villains play AA and KK this way.
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