rog
Tuesday, August 16th, 2005, 6:17 PM
PokerStars 0.25/0.50 Hold'em (10 handed)
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Preflop: Rog is Button with [Kd], [As].
UTG calls, UTG+1 calls,
5 folds, UTG calls, UTG+1 calls.
Flop: (9 SB) [Ac], [Jh], [5c]
(4 players)
SB checks, UTG checks,
UTG+1 bets, SB folds, UTG folds, UTG+1 calls.
Turn: (6.50 BB) [9c]
(2 players)
UTG+1 bets, UTG+1 calls.
River: (10.50 BB) [Ad]
(2 players)
UTG+1 bets, Rog calls.
Final Pot: 12.50 BB
amarillotg
Tuesday, August 16th, 2005, 6:35 PM
QUOTE (rog)
PokerStars 0.25/0.50 Hold'em (10 handed)
converter
Preflop: Rog is Button with [Kd], [As].
UTG calls, UTG+1 calls,
5 folds, UTG calls, UTG+1 calls.
Flop: (9 SB) [Ac], [Jh], [5c]
(4 players)
SB checks, UTG checks,
UTG+1 bets, SB folds, UTG folds, UTG+1 calls.
Turn: (6.50 BB) [9c]
(2 players)
UTG+1 bets, UTG+1 calls.
River: (10.50 BB) [Ad]
(2 players)
UTG+1 bets
Final Pot: 12.50 BB
fixed it for ya
Randy Reed
Tuesday, August 16th, 2005, 6:39 PM
LOL :wink:
WonderfulSplash
Tuesday, August 16th, 2005, 6:40 PM
The way the villian played this confuses the hell out of me, but I like the way you played it, it seems like he has a weak ace.
Edit: you should raise the river... I though you did.
TheIceman05
Tuesday, August 16th, 2005, 6:47 PM
Raise the river. He's hammering the turn with two pair/set unless he blows whale nuts.
Do whales have nuts?
Ice
custom36
Tuesday, August 16th, 2005, 6:50 PM
Hmm
What's he gaybetting that we're ahead of here? I'm leaning towards a river call.
amarillotg
Tuesday, August 16th, 2005, 6:52 PM
he's gay betting a weak ace. i would have to think he would 3 bet 2 pair here.
custom36
Tuesday, August 16th, 2005, 6:58 PM
QUOTE (amarillotg)
he's gay betting a weak ace. i would have to think he would 3 bet 2 pair here.
You'd be wrong. I'm inclined to believe villain has AJ, A5, or 55 more than some other Ax.
amarillotg
Tuesday, August 16th, 2005, 7:02 PM
QUOTE (Custom36)
QUOTE (amarillotg)
he's gay betting a weak ace. i would have to think he would 3 bet 2 pair here.
You'd be wrong. I'm inclined to believe villain has AJ, A5, or 55 more than some other Ax.
so why didn't he go nuts on the turn?
rog
Tuesday, August 16th, 2005, 7:03 PM
I just called because he bet into me on every street. The second ace doesn't scare him at all, so I think the A filled a boat. That's my rationale anyway.
KDawgCometh
Tuesday, August 16th, 2005, 7:03 PM
QUOTE (Custom36)
What's he gaybetting that we're ahead of here? I'm leaning towards a river call.
custom36
Tuesday, August 16th, 2005, 7:05 PM
QUOTE (amarillotg)
QUOTE (Custom36)
QUOTE (amarillotg)
he's gay betting a weak ace. i would have to think he would 3 bet 2 pair here.
You'd be wrong. I'm inclined to believe villain has AJ, A5, or 55 more than some other Ax.
so why didn't he go nuts on the turn?
Because hero raised twice in a row.
Jordan
Tuesday, August 16th, 2005, 7:25 PM
.25/.50 and no one raises this river?
meh...i wanna raise
- Jordan
TheIceman05
Tuesday, August 16th, 2005, 7:38 PM
Oh man, I didn't even see the flush...
Sorry.
Call the river.
Ice
WaitingforMyRuca
Tuesday, August 16th, 2005, 11:35 PM
call the river.
amarillotg
Wednesday, August 17th, 2005, 4:46 AM
QUOTE (TheIceman05)
Oh man, I didn't even see the flush...
Sorry.
Call the river.
Ice
me too. woops.
Sysvr4
Wednesday, August 17th, 2005, 4:50 AM
Does anyone but me dislike the turn raise?
You raised the flop and he pulls a stop and go. I don't raise that turn unless he's LAG. I'd call the turn and river.
Jeff
amarillotg
Wednesday, August 17th, 2005, 4:58 AM
QUOTE (Sysvr4)
Does anyone but me dislike the turn raise?
You raised the flop and he pulls a stop and go. I don't raise that turn unless he's LAG. I'd call the turn and river.
Jeff
yeah i'd have to agree with this line. getting 3 bet on that turn sucks large.
rog
Wednesday, August 17th, 2005, 5:14 PM
Now we get to the meat of it. I'm not so worried about the river raise/call decision. I was less comfortable on the turn. So are you suggesting it's check/call ont he turn and river? I basically raised to see where I was at. With the smooth call and the lead into me on the river I got my answer.
Smasharoo
Wednesday, August 17th, 2005, 5:30 PM
So are you suggesting it's check/call ont he turn and river? I basically raised to see where I was at.
WTF does that even mean?
You're not folding to a three-bet are you? Or to being led into on the river?
Where you are is either ahead or crushed. Raising here doesn't define his hand any unless he three-bets.
rog
Wednesday, August 17th, 2005, 6:20 PM
QUOTE (Smasharoo)
Where you are is either ahead or crushed. Raising here doesn't define his hand any unless he three-bets.
So are you saying the raise is wrong, or just the reason for it?
I'll take as much criticism and feedback on this hand as I can get. I never got any visibility until he bet into me on the river at that point I was pretty sure I was beat.
I think the flop raise was good. I think I'm likely ahead and need to bet aggressively. I expected either a 3-bet, or a call followed by a check on the turn. The bet on the turn leaves me unsure what to do.
Smasharoo
Wednesday, August 17th, 2005, 6:34 PM
So are you saying the raise is wrong, or just the reason for it?
I'm saying I think he has A9 when he bets out and I'm calling this and one more to find out.
rog
Wednesday, August 17th, 2005, 6:48 PM
Okay, so the line is call down from the turn. I get 4:1 to call two more big bets, and I should be good here 20% of the time. Raise is a waste because I'm calling the 3-bet here anyway so I lose 1 or 2 extra BB when I'm behind, and gain only 1 (or maybe none) when I'm ahead. I have to be ahead most of the time for this to make sense. Even knowing if I'm ahead or behind doesn't really help me. Have I got it?
Smasharoo
Wednesday, August 17th, 2005, 7:00 PM
Yeah it's really pretty simple. You're behind more than you're not, but there's enough in the pot to call down for the times you're not.
rog
Wednesday, August 17th, 2005, 8:31 PM
QUOTE (Smasharoo)
Yeah it's really pretty simple.
Heh heh...yeah, no need to outplay myself. Easy to get caught up in aggression and forget why you're doing it.
pokerplayer24
Wednesday, August 17th, 2005, 10:30 PM
I'd be shocked though if he didnt boat up on the river. My guess is he just called your turn raise because the third club hit. Then boated up on the river and threw another bet in.
Only way turn raise is ok is if you have picked up a flush draw. Seeing as you didnt' i'd say it was a mistake.
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