J-Dub
Tuesday, August 16th, 2005, 11:29 AM
My pocket Kings v. one opponent. He rasied from$2 to $4, I reraised to $10. I have position. Flop comes: KT5, he bets $20 (pot sized), I call. Turn is Q (still rainbow). He bets $20 again, I set him in for only $20 more. He flips over 9T and catches a J on the river. I get people at the table saying how laying my kings down should have been easy against a straight board. Am I nuts? Is there anyone who would not set the player in in that spot?
econ_tim
Tuesday, August 16th, 2005, 11:32 AM
I think the mistake was the flop and not the turn. If someone is betting into you when you have the nuts, raise them. Sometimes you can make a case for just calling, but there are obvious draws on this flop.
Rocketwadster
Tuesday, August 16th, 2005, 11:34 AM
Your opponent played a bad hand and got very lucky, but you gave him a chance to get lucky...tough one. 8)
MasterLJ
Tuesday, August 16th, 2005, 11:37 AM
All in that flop everytime if you get action. People get greedy, you have the nuts. It's very rare to be in a situation where it's ok to milk someone.
Let's say you have KK and the flop is K 2 8 rainbow. There you know that there's only 3 cards in the deck that could even possibly hurt you (2,8 or A on the turn) giving quads, quads, and the higher set respectively. With the flop you describe there are quite a few more, make him pay for his stupid draw on the flop. Don't get greedy. You have the best possible hand at the time, get all your money in.
Rocketwadster
Tuesday, August 16th, 2005, 11:42 AM
He had a fairly small stack anyhow, but you should have put him all in on the flop. If he calls and sucks out on you, good for him (and you, as you will win it all back and then some eventually from this guy). 8)
J-Dub
Tuesday, August 16th, 2005, 12:01 PM
Yeah, I know my mistake was on the flop, but I was trying to have him put all his money in. And I got it when he had a 4-outer. Oh well. I was still getting people saying "how could you do that with KTQ out there?" Weirdos.
Blink20
Tuesday, August 16th, 2005, 12:48 PM
Next time, please include stack sizes, the position your are at the table and your opponent, any reads on opponent (not really necessary in this hand i guess).
Your play isn't really too horrible, there's really only one big draw you would be worried about, QJ, and would he play it that way preflop?
Most of the time you do want to play your hands fast. But in this situation, having position and having him bet pot sized bet on the flop, you could make a case for just calling and pushing the turn after he bets or checks. If he caught a straight, well, the times you pay that off I think are negated by all the times you trap him with a hand that's way behind yours.
Slowplaying is a viable option sometimes (SOMETIMES), you just need the perfect opportunity. I think this one qualifies.
Nice job getting all the money in on the turn with the best of it. Your thoughts about the hand should end there. There's a perspective in poker that a lot of players just don't realize, and its really simple. Don't worry about the results, the results DON'T matter. The real result of this hand was you g etting all your money in as a huge favorite on the turn.
Well played. Gl at the tables.
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