no HH..but relevant data included.


Hero Button with KK suits irrelevant

Preflop
folds to UTG+2 raises, folds to Hero 3-bets, blinds fold, UTG+2 calls

Flop (no back door flush draws for Hero, or gut shots)
Axx
UTG+2 check, Hero Bet, UTG+2 call

Turn (4.75 BB)
Blank
UTG+2 check, Hero Bet, UTG+2 Raise, Hero ? (7.75 BB)


Now, maybe the other cards matter..suffice it to say there were no draws. My question also wants to address the general case of being C/R on the turn with only two outs...maybe more if up against non-Ace two pair

Any time you would call this? Without reads, does the pot have to a much bigger to call down?

Villan's 8th hand at table, no read.

I read somewhere once that the most likely action for a villain to make when he improves on the turn is to check/raise.

With no reads I'm likely going to let this one go. I would imagine he has either just improved to a better hand, or... more possibly, this play reeks of a slowplayed big hand like a set of Aces.

Other possibilities would include a medium strength Ace that just made Aces up, or a smaller pair that he just set.

It's likely that you only have two outs, and if you call here you must call the river. So, without reads to tell me otherwise, I'd probably give him credit for a big hand and lay it down on the turn.

It would be nice to know the other cards in play, of course.

You have position, so I totally understand betting the flop and turn. The villians check/raise screams ace, but you know this. I say fold. It's heads up and you have to assume you have 2 outs, but you may just have one. Hindsite is 20/20 and all. I wasn't looking at those pretty kings in my hand while I get check/raised for a bb.

I expect you called the raise and called the bet on the river. This is what most players would do even though it is beaten most of the time. Depending on the quality of you opponent, you may actually have the best hand. The villian may have been making a play representing Ax, this would be great.

I put the villian on AK or AQ.

with no pre-flop cap, I eliminated AA

I was confused by the delayed aggression...(I say confused, when really, it's just that I play way too straight forward and don't ever slow play or c/r enough, perhaps)

I called down for information and in case a K hit..or he had a bogus two pair...mainly I called down because that's what I do! - I get sick and tired of an Ace coming on every flop! :x

There's an 18% chance of at least one Ace coming on the flop if your opponent holds one. I wish it only came that often when I have KK.


BeanGW, good call.
He had AA. Never would have guessed that, but he certanily played me right.

I also thought that calling the turn meant two bets..as the river was automatic..perhaps not? But for info and "just in case", it seemed to be.

I have got to start folding more "made" hands, not just missed draws. Somewhere, somehow the fear of being bluffed out of pots makes me call down way too much in these cases. Perhaps its the occasional time you are correct and feel vindicated.

Don't forget that there are plenty of players who won't even raise AA preflop at all... At least this guy did. Some semi-passive players will raise, but don't like capping PF. Anything is possible.

Don't feel bad about calling him down. Without reads, in a low-limit game, you will be in more situations where going to showdown is the correct play, and folding would have been the mistake. The fact that this pot is small, and the specific way he played this makes letting this go that much easier, IMHO.

In a bigger pot with reads on the villain, there might be more +EV plays than folding. But here I think it's more straightforward.

I've seen many a player check/raise the turn here when on a draw or with a hand such as middle (and occasionally bottom) pair. You almost have to call it down from there I think at small stakes.

Even retards find a big hand once in awhile. A check-raise on the turn usually indicates at least two pair or a good ace. Unfortunately, you probably should fold the turn.