109suited
Monday, August 15th, 2005, 11:06 PM
not sure about this hand.
Hero is MP2 with red JJ
Folds to me, I raise one cold caller in the CO, sb and bb fold.
flop: 7

6

A
I bet, CO raises, I call
Turn: 4
I check, CO bets, I call.
River: T
I check, CO bets, I call.
Anyone play differently?
wrto4556
Monday, August 15th, 2005, 11:09 PM
fold the flop or turn. its realy up to you.
109suited
Monday, August 15th, 2005, 11:17 PM
Really? I've been raised on the flop or turn nearly everytime i bet the flop playing in this game tonight. I think it's wa/wb.
justblaze
Monday, August 15th, 2005, 11:22 PM
QUOTE (109suited)
Really? I've been raised on the flop or turn nearly everytime i bet the flop playing in this game tonight. I think it's wa/wb.
dunno what that means, but 2 BB to find out if hes bluffing doesnt sound +EV.
109suited
Monday, August 15th, 2005, 11:32 PM
Maybe. But I can't just fold everytime I get raised on the flop when an ace hits. These ****ers are tricky at 10/20.
justblaze
Monday, August 15th, 2005, 11:37 PM
QUOTE (109suited)
Maybe. But I can't just fold everytime I get raised on the flop when an ace hits. These censored are tricky at 10/20.
if theyre that tricky, they'll pay you off when you have real hands. will they fold to 3 bets if theyre bluffing?
109suited
Monday, August 15th, 2005, 11:40 PM
I guess 3 betting the flop is better than just calling down. I dunno.
justblaze
Monday, August 15th, 2005, 11:43 PM
QUOTE (109suited)
I guess 3 betting the flop is better than just calling down. I dunno.
its tough, but you dont really find out much by check-calling.
109suited
Monday, August 15th, 2005, 11:48 PM
I just started playing 10/20 and it really is amazing the difference in postflop play from 5/10 to 10/20. The preflop play seems looser at 10/20 and the postflop play is leaps and bounds trickier. There's been a definite learning curve.
Briguy
Tuesday, August 16th, 2005, 4:14 AM
Fold the turn. Maybe bet/fold the turn? Your backdoor flush is kaput, and you'll save 1BB when your opponent raises with the A.
BeanGW
Tuesday, August 16th, 2005, 5:05 AM
In a small pot, with no additional information about the villain, I probably check/fold the turn.
But, if I know him to be a LAG, or ubertricky, maybe I call him down.
And if instead, he's a tight-passive, untricky player, I may fold to the flop raise.
Basically, in most cases, the pot is small enough where it's usually not worth 2 more BB to see his Ace.
Sysvr4
Tuesday, August 16th, 2005, 5:18 AM
I'd call the flop just in case he's on a free card play. Check/fold the turn UI.
Jeff
creepy20
Tuesday, August 16th, 2005, 5:18 AM
reraise the flop or fold...i don't see any point in just calling.
tdmlb24
Tuesday, August 16th, 2005, 6:33 AM
QUOTE (wrto4556)
fold the flop or turn. its realy up to you.
Rocketwadster
Tuesday, August 16th, 2005, 7:10 AM
Fold the flop. 8)
PrtyPSux
Tuesday, August 16th, 2005, 9:30 AM
QUOTE (109suited)
I guess 3 betting the flop is better than just calling down. I dunno.
If you three bet the flop he'll probably call the 3 bet and now u have to bet the turn too. I dont like 3 betting the flop here, just B/C Ch/F.
Rocketwadster
Tuesday, August 16th, 2005, 9:37 AM
QUOTE (109suited)
Really? I've been raised on the flop or turn nearly everytime i bet the flop playing in this game tonight. I think it's wa/wb.
this info should have been included in the original post.
109suited
Tuesday, August 16th, 2005, 12:27 PM
Yes it should have. I think there's part of me that thinks folding the flop or the turn is right. If I am going to continue with the hand, I probably should 3 bet the flop, lead the turn and fold to a raise. The table was really really tricky postflop and loose preflop, which is the reason I called down. The conflict in my mind could simply be results based thinking, b/c he ended up turning over 99. I dunno. Anymore thoughts would be appreciated.
Rocketwadster
Tuesday, August 16th, 2005, 12:32 PM
QUOTE (109suited)
Really? I've been raised on the flop or turn nearly everytime i bet the flop playing in this game tonight. I think it's wa/wb.
coould this statement here not make you think that leading out on the flop may be a bad thing? perhaps a check/raise is in order, no?
:?
Smasharoo
Tuesday, August 16th, 2005, 12:34 PM
Fold to the flop raise.
Rocketwadster
Tuesday, August 16th, 2005, 12:37 PM
QUOTE (Smasharoo)
Fold to the flop raise.
sorry smash, but I gave that advice long ago...you will have to tell hmisomething else to do...lol
Blink20
Tuesday, August 16th, 2005, 12:38 PM
If you're gonna play it, its very read dependent.
Playing that level, you should have stats on your opponents, that would be the best way to go about it, imo.
Pokertracker is like 3 bb's in that game
Give the stats in your posts, it'll make for better discussion.
109suited
Tuesday, August 16th, 2005, 12:40 PM
Yeah, I get that most people think folding to the flop raise is the best play, but I just can't see folding every time I have a big pair and an ace flops, at least heads up. At this table, he could be cold calling with a lot of hands that I have smoked. Are there any other viable options other than b/c c/f?
Smasharoo
Tuesday, August 16th, 2005, 12:47 PM
At this table, he could be cold calling with a lot of hands that I have smoked.
Then raising this flop, behind?
Good for him, he'll make you rich.
Correct me if I'm wrong but MOST of the time when you raise it means Ax with X being a good kicker, right?
So you think that he's decided, for this one particular hand to put you on a middle pair and to raise this flop with TT or something?
Honest?
Or is it more you just can't fold pocket Jacks?
Let me know.
JacKingOff_suit
Tuesday, August 16th, 2005, 1:11 PM
How about check the flop, when villian bet then raise, if get reraised then fold ?
Actuary
Tuesday, August 16th, 2005, 1:17 PM
QUOTE (Smasharoo)
At this table, he could be cold calling with a lot of hands that I have smoked.
Then raising this flop, behind?
Good for him, he'll make you rich.
Correct me if I'm wrong but MOST of the time when you raise it means Ax with X being a good kicker, right?
So you think that he's decided, for this one particular hand to put you on a middle pair and to raise this flop with TT or something?
Honest?
Or is it more you just can't fold pocket Jacks?
Let me know.
where's the "Good Luck" :-)
This high pair vs Ace on Flop comes up so often it's ridiculous. I swear learning how to play these correctly could add $$$ to any br.
As previously posted, I suffer from not respecting my opponents moves. I keep "value betting" my TPgK into an opponet's flopped two pair until I see the pot move to their stack (they never raised) or I'll bear witness to a flop 3-bet from someone with AQ on a KQT board. Multiple examples have warped me and now I tend to look more at the showdown value of my hand with out much regard for the opponents calls/raises.
That's a bit of an exaggeration, but not much.
Maybe a review thru PT will enlighten me to whether or not flop raises or turn raises should be heeded...especially in these smallish pots.
Or I could just keep losing money on these streets.
109suited
Tuesday, August 16th, 2005, 1:26 PM
I hate it when smash is right and leaves you no room to argue.
Don Giovanni
Tuesday, August 16th, 2005, 1:44 PM
QUOTE (109suited)
I hate it when smash is right and leaves you no room to argue.
haha he is right. calling down just wont work. calling and then folding on the turn when you dont improve isnt terrible, but i like the fold to the raise on the flop play.
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