Early in a session from the $25 NL Tables at PP. No solid reads on any players yet.

$25 NL Texas Hold'em - Sunday, August 14, 15:58:37 EDT 2005
Table Table 37122 (Real Money)
Seat 9 is the button
Total number of players : 9
Seat 1: ( $24.75 )
Seat 2: ( $28.35 )
Seat 3: ( $16.13 )
Seat 4: ( $20.35 )
Seat 8: ( $27.52 )
Seat 7: bcarter9653 ( $41.85 )
Seat 9: ( $6.15 )
Seat 6: ( $24.75 )
Seat 5: ( $27.15 )
Seat 1 posts small blind [$0.10].
Seat 2 posts big blind [$0.25].
** Dealing down cards **
Dealt to bcarter9653 [ 4h Ah ]
Seat 3 folds.
Seat 4 folds.
Seat 5 folds.
Seat 6 folds.
bcarter9653 calls [$0.25].
Seat 8 calls [$0.25].
Seat 9 calls [$0.25].
Seat 1 calls [$0.15].
Seat 2 checks.

I just won a decent sized pot, so I decided to limp, hoping to catch a nut-flush draw. Normally I don't do that, but I was feeling that at the time.

** Dealing Flop ** [ 4d, 4c, 7s ]
Seat 1 checks.
Seat 2 checks.
bcarter9653 checks.
Seat 8 checks.
Seat 9 checks.

With a rainbow flop, I decided to check, hoping a high card would come on the turn to give someone two pair. Should I have bet to make the straight draw pay here?

** Dealing Turn ** [ Jd ]
Seat 1 checks.
Seat 2 checks.
bcarter9653 bets [$1].
Seat 8 calls [$1].
Seat 9 folds.
Seat 1 folds.
Seat 2 folds.

When he called here I really thought he hit his Jack and was going to pay me off with his two pair.

** Dealing River ** [ 3c ]
bcarter9653 bets [$2].
Seat 8 raises [$8].
bcarter9653 calls [$6].
Seat 8 shows [ 6c, 5c ] a straight, three to seven.
bcarter9653 doesn't show [ 4h, Ah ] three of a kind, fours.
Seat 8 wins $18.30 from the main pot with a straight, three to seven.

So he limped with 56 suited which is a little loose, but then again I am playing at the $25 Party NL Table. When he raised my bet I didn't think for too long before calling because I thought I definitely had the best hand.

Did I not give enough thought about him making a straight on the river?
Was I wrong to slowplay my trips on the flop?

Thanks in advance for all critiques and criticisms.

Low limit party poker and slowplay shouldn't be in teh same sentence

I think you should go ahead and bet out on this flop. If it were something like 44J rainbow, you could make a case for letting everyone see a turn card.

But at the lower limits, any type of coordinated board, esp if there's a flush draw (this one there wasn't), then I would go ahead and bet.

Slowplaying is really not that great of a move, you get a lot more opportuniites when you bet out.

Betting out you build up a pot, you have a chance for more bets, ie three betting if someone raises you, and you get to make any draws pay.

I would bet out this everytime on the flop and turn. ON the river, well, you're just gonna have to pay off the straight, depending how much he raises and any reads you have of the opponent.

Also, for partypoker hands in the converter, just simply delete the word texas from the top of the hand history, that should make it work.

i dont like slowplaying this kind of hand. You only get action on the turn from a better hand. bet it out and see what happens.

Ya I tried that and I still can't get it to work. Does anyone else convert hands from Party and wants to tell me how to do it?? I would really appreciate it considering it takes me about 10 minutes to make the hand easy to read by hand. Thanks.

It really should work

Just post a whole hand in this thread, and I'll try to convert it, if it works, i'll tell you what I did.

The only hands I slop play in NL are flopped straight flushes and flopped quads.

People like to call big bets crushed. Let them.

The way I look at it is, with a board like that, why try to lure everyone in? Someone's bound to be able to put the hurt on you like that. Also, the problem with checking on the flop is that the pot is so small that you can't build it. With 5 people, the pot's $1.25, so your turn bet of $1.00 is very decent sized (not an overbet), but it doesn't do much in the way of scaring people, lol. If you had bet on the flop $1.00, you might still get 2 or 3 callers, with the pot at $4.25 - $5.25, which allows you to go for a much more decent sized bet, one that others might not wish to call. I might slowplay against 1 or 2 opponents, but definitely not 4, it's far too risky.

Using our mystical 20/20 hindsight, we see that the guy who beat you flopped a straight draw. Chances are, he'd call a $1.00 bet. Let's say that someone else calls too. The pot is now at $4.25. If you bet out $3.00 on the turn, he might be willing to let it go (I dunno how this guy plays, so just an assumption). If he did call you, he's paying a hefty price to see that card, and if he misses, he's completely in no-man's land (after all, if the board didn't end up coordinated, I doubt you'd fold to a bet short of a miracle with a set and an ace kicker, lol).

A rookie's opinion
-NarSARSsist

Edit: Oops, I forgot to read the replies first...sorry for all possible (and very likely) redundancies. :oops:

Terrible slowplay. Only slowplay mosters (trips is not a monster IMO).

Perfect flop to lead out, as a LOT of bad players wouldn't put you on trips (as you should slowplay them in their opinion...lol).

Make em pay on the turn. Can't see him calling a big bet there with only a draw. 8)

I almost agree completely...


I also will sometimes slowplay against a small field, flopped trips on a board like:

44Q rainbow

*atleast let them catch a Jack to go with their A10, or something along those lines.

But yeah, if its any sort of connected, or suited flop, then just keep betting, people like to chase. Donkeys always draw, so make them put some money in the pot

Betting builds pots, more for you to be able to bet on river

Here's an entire hand Blink. I would really appreciate it if you could convert it and let me know how you did it. Thanks in advance, and thanks for the feedback too.

***** Hand History for Game 2528332670 *****
0/0 Texas Hold'em Game Table (NL) - Sat Aug 13 14:11:05 EDT 2005
Table Table 37031 (Real Money) -- Seat 10 is the button
Total number of players : 10
Seat 1: glassjaw5150 ( $24.75)
Seat 2: fowgidabodit ( $29.65)
Seat 3: ioneputt ( $14.50)
Seat 4: Hasse_ ( $11.20)
Seat 5: Ricto77 ( $46.60)
Seat 6: mcnabulous5 ( $15.75)
Seat 7: gringorob ( $28.95)
Seat 8: Pair0Bullets ( $33.05)
Seat 9: bcarter9653 ( $25)
Seat 10: Nobadbeat111 ( $28.95)
glassjaw5150 posts small blind (0.10)
fowgidabodit posts big blind (0.25)
bcarter9653 posts big blind (0.25)
** Dealing down cards **
Dealt to bcarter9653 [ Ks, Ac ]
ioneputt folds.
Hasse_ folds.
Ricto77 folds.
mcnabulous5 folds.
gringorob folds.
Pair0Bullets calls (0.25)
bcarter9653 raises (0.75) to 1
Nobadbeat111 folds.
glassjaw5150 calls (0.90)
fowgidabodit folds.
Pair0Bullets calls (0.75)
** Dealing Flop ** : [ 8s, 5h, Ah ]
glassjaw5150 checks.
Pair0Bullets checks.
bcarter9653 bets (2.50)
glassjaw5150 calls (2.50)
Pair0Bullets folds.
** Dealing Turn ** : [ 5s ]
glassjaw5150 checks.
bcarter9653 bets (5)
glassjaw5150 calls (5)
** Dealing River ** : [ 6c ]
glassjaw5150 bets (16.25)
glassjaw5150 is all-In.
bcarter9653 folds.
Creating Main Pot with $33.60 with glassjaw5150
** Summary **
Main Pot: $33.60 | Rake: $0.90
Board: [ 8s 5h Ah 5s 6c ]
glassjaw5150 balance $33.60, bet $24.75, collected $33.60, net +$8.85
fowgidabodit balance $29.40, lost $0.25 (folded)
ioneputt balance $14.50, didn't bet (folded)
Hasse_ balance $11.20, didn't bet (folded)
Ricto77 balance $46.60, didn't bet (folded)
mcnabulous5 balance $15.75, didn't bet (folded)
gringorob balance $28.95, didn't bet (folded)
Pair0Bullets balance $32.05, lost $1 (folded)
bcarter9653 balance $16.50, lost $8.50 (folded)
Nobadbeat111 balance $28.95, didn't bet (folded)

In the words of Doyle Brunson, "I usually don't slow play sets, I like to play them fast."