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Mike Patton
Anybody know if he plays in the wsop?

Never seen or heard about him playing the wsop
Mandelbrot
Yes, he played in the 2004 main event. He went out on a pretty poorly played semi-bluff.
CodyHartman
According to that same broadcast he has been playing in the WSOP for 7 years or so (i think).

I wonder why he has NEVER won a bracelet?

All-time WPT winner no WSOP wins in much more time and events... WEIRD
jayistheman
QUOTE (Mike Patton)
Anybody know if he plays in the wsop?

Never seen or heard about him playing the wsop


he was one of the stars in a segment of the main event this year.... they talked about him a good bit, and the high point of the episode was mattias anderson screaming after he broke hansen.... my favorite part was when anderson screamed for a jack.... he called it a "yak". lol. i thought he said "yuck" and it took me a lil to understand.
The Future
Sometimes I wonder if Gus uses televised tournaments to project a certain image so that he can reap the benefits of appearing reckless in the big cash games. It's obvious to me that especially during the Poker Superstars Invitaitonal, he took advantage of the setup and used a couple early rounds to look like a loose cannon.
superchuck
QUOTE (The Future)
Sometimes I wonder if Gus uses televised tournaments to project a certain image so that he can reap the benefits of appearing reckless in the big cash games. It's obvious to me that especially during the Poker Superstars Invitaitonal, he took advantage of the setup and used a couple early rounds to look like a loose cannon.


from what i hear he is quite a poor cash game player. most of his success is in tournaments because he cna put people to decisions, and in his cash games people jsut call and re-buy if they are wrong.
elkang
What are your sources? I hear unfounded rumors about Raymer, Moneymaker etc all the time.

Barry Greenstein respects him saying "With only a couple of years experience, he jumped into the highest stake games against the toughest players.

Gus is often mischaracterized as a hyper-aggressive player when he is actually an active or loose player. He plays a lot of pots and his success is a combination of this volatile style and good decision-making after the flop.

I play with Gus in side games where one million dollar swings are very rare, yet I have seen Gus get stuck a million and get even in the same session -- three different times!"

Gus cannot be playing regularly in the big game with out success at that level and cash games below.

In the 2004 WSOP he finished 150th cashing $15,000.

I have no doubt he is having success and would like to see some proof outside of rumor.
johngbrown66
QUOTE (CodyHartman)
According to that same broadcast he has been playing in the WSOP for 7 years or so (i think).

I wonder why he has NEVER won a bracelet?

All-time WPT winner no WSOP wins in much more time and events... WEIRD


Well the WSOP is yearly, the WPT is monthly, if not more frequent, correct?? If so that would explain the difference in wins.
jayistheman
QUOTE (johngbrown66)
QUOTE (CodyHartman)
According to that same broadcast he has been playing in the WSOP for 7 years or so (i think).

I wonder why he has NEVER won a bracelet?

All-time WPT winner no WSOP wins in much more time and events... WEIRD


Well the WSOP is yearly, the WPT is monthly, if not more frequent, correct?? If so that would explain the difference in wins.


the wsop has 30 some events a year.... it would at least be expected that he would have at least one bracelet i lowball or something.
johngbrown66
QUOTE (jayistheman)
QUOTE (johngbrown66)
QUOTE (CodyHartman)
According to that same broadcast he has been playing in the WSOP for 7 years or so (i think).

I wonder why he has NEVER won a bracelet?

All-time WPT winner no WSOP wins in much more time and events... WEIRD


Well the WSOP is yearly, the WPT is monthly, if not more frequent, correct?? If so that would explain the difference in wins.


the wsop has 30 some events a year.... it would at least be expected that he would have at least one bracelet i lowball or something.


Who plays all 30?

And you assume he is good at all games??
jayistheman
id be willing to bet that he has played in more wsop events than in wpt... hands down. and since he plays in the mixed big game at bellagio, id assume he is at least good at most games.
CodyHartman
QUOTE (jayistheman)
id be willing to bet that he has played in more wsop events than in wpt... hands down. and since he plays in the mixed big game at bellagio, id assume he is at least good at most games.


Yeah that was my point.
jayistheman
QUOTE (CodyHartman)
QUOTE (jayistheman)
id be willing to bet that he has played in more wsop events than in wpt... hands down. and since he plays in the mixed big game at bellagio, id assume he is at least good at most games.


Yeah that was my point.


yeah....i dont think johngbrown66 believes you for some reason....
CodyHartman
QUOTE (johngbrown66)
And you assume he is good at all games??


Actually I would think (assume, ya know the whole You and Me thing) that if he felt capable of playing the mixed game at the Bellagio for 4/8k that he has a better clue then many do on how to play "all" games.

Also many top pro's will enter as many if not ALL the tournies at the WSOP they can. They understand the differences in the games and can do well in them. They also know how important it is to WIN bracelets and they also know if they enter enough tournies that sooner or later they may get "lucky" and win a tourney that might not be their speciality.

I mean look at Robert Williamson. He played in a stud tourney for the first time this year b/c of the prestige of the WSOP events and he wanted to win the player of the tourney award.

Also even if Gus has played ONLY in the WSOP for the last 2 or 3 years enerting say 1/2 of the tournies (this # would almost be just HE events either PL NL or L) then he would still have entered MORE tournies then the WPT.

I think Gus is a great player. I mean his WPT records are proof. What I don't get though is why he doesn't achieve victory at the WSOP. I mean the type of players and fields are the same in both events. (pretty close to atleast).

The only thing I can say is that possibly the structure of the two are different. The WSOP tries for 1 day fields of 300-900 to get down to 8 or 9. Whereas the WPT is taking a smaller field 100-800 and doing it in 3-5 days.

I dunno, doesn't seem to add up.
TheIceman05
QUOTE (elkang)
What are your sources? I hear unfounded rumors about Raymer, Moneymaker etc all the time.

Barry Greenstein respects him saying "With only a couple of years experience, he jumped into the highest stake games against the toughest players.

Gus is often mischaracterized as a hyper-aggressive player when he is actually an active or loose player. He plays a lot of pots and his success is a combination of this volatile style and good decision-making after the flop.

I play with Gus in side games where one million dollar swings are very rare, yet I have seen Gus get stuck a million and get even in the same session -- three different times!"

Gus cannot be playing regularly in the big game with out success at that level and cash games below.

In the 2004 WSOP he finished 150th cashing $15,000.

I have no doubt he is having success and would like to see some proof outside of rumor.


Seems to me that Barry's getting in a bit of a dig here, on ole' Gussy boy. If you look at Gus's rankings compared to some other players, he doesn't get all that much respect in Greenstein's rankings (which doesn't mean all that much, inherently), ESPECIALLY w/respect to his side-game play. I can't point to any articles or Gus's bank account or anything, but I hear he's not exactly killing the big-game either. He's a very strong player, and he's an incredible tournament player, but I think he has some leaks in his cash-play.


(shrug)

Ice
TheIceman05
Just so you know, that from above is listed on www.barrygreenstein.com under
WEAKNESS


He got in way over his head

Ice
JFarrell20
QUOTE (The Future)
Sometimes I wonder if Gus uses televised tournaments to project a certain image so that he can reap the benefits of appearing reckless in the big cash games. It's obvious to me that especially during the Poker Superstars Invitaitonal, he took advantage of the setup and used a couple early rounds to look like a loose cannon.


I saw him call Esfandiari's all in with 8 10 offsuit. Es had 7-7.

Es got pissed. lol. Gus hit an 8 I believe to win the pot. I was utterly shocked he made this call. Either he's a genius or an F-ing moron.
Spidurman
what gus does is play reckless preflop to a degree - because he's nearly impossible to figure after the flop. If you watch PSI,you see him raise with any two preflop, but postflop he may fire once, but that's about it normally. And his post flop bet, he may have the straight with his 52o, or he may just have....52o.

If you can stomach the swings and early exits, its a fun way to play.
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