...In a NL MTT, 180 left out of 600 or so only 50 get paid. I have a healthy stack of 4k with blinds 50/100, avg stack is 2,800. A new player arrives at the table a few hands ago and is now utg with a stack of 2400. No Reads.

I have JJ in MP1

Utg raises 800. it folds to me. whats the play?

UTG is not giving you much in the way of implied odd.

I'd figure you're a coinflip at best, so fold and wait.

I would probably just call it, see the flop and more than likely get all the money in on the flop. If he's raising almost 1/3 of his stack, he's going to commit himself, so an all in would get a call and 5 cards for the villian. I would check the flop out and probably get all the money in.

That is a huge raise. Don't think he wants a flop. Push.

Without reads, I have no problem folding J-J to a huge PF raise (I think 8x the BB counts) in the earlier stages of an MTT. Especially when there is a reasonable chance the raise may have pot committed the villain...

It might be a lousy plan.... I'm not the best MTT player my any means.

thats what i was thinking.

what do uu do when an over card hits? and say, he checks.

what if he makes a usual continuation bet?

But, you simply can't always think that in a tourney... I think it's too costly without reads and that's how those of us who will go all-in with A-A preflop get paid off.

If you're betting from UTG you expect to be called. Fold this, unless he has a lower pocket pair its a coinflip or you're dominated. Wait for a better opportunity, youve got plenty of chips to be patient.

That is a good point.

Curious about tourney buy in.

Curious if Party is trying to win tourney.

You got him covered I think its a great chance to build a nice stack.

Smells like 10s to me it really does.

what do uu do when an over card hits? and say, he checks.

All in.


what if he makes a usual continuation bet?

Raise all in, or call his all in.

It's an out of position stop and go. He's calling your all in preflop, let him only see the flop if you can. If he hits his overcard on the flop, then you essenitally lost the race you would have had if you both went in preflop.

I think just calling is bad.

Reverse implied odds anyone?

Don't let him see the flop before he decides what to do if you are going to play him. Either push or fold.

I think a fold is correct here, because even though it definitely seems like 88 to 101o and he doesn't want to see a flop, it could just as easily be QQ or AK. With either of those hands, he's gonna call a reraise, and you can find better spots. Yesterday, I went bust with 1010 twice, because it seemed like a player overbet with what i thought was a smaller pp. Some players are just scared to play the flop and like to push preflop. Fold and find a better spot if you're a good player.

11+1 7.5k guarantee on Bodog, very fishy...probably more so than party's 34k guarantee...hard to choose though.



goal is to make 5th or better, even final 2 tables would be good... just making it ITM doesnt mean much to me though.



I dunno about that one, IMO its not a great chance to "build a nice stack" I already have a decent stack, and 2400 more wont make it THAT much nicer, but 2400 less will make it WAY uglier.

To me, this might be one of those " high volatility/low equity" situations that Harrington explains in HOH2 ( for any of you who have it, it is in the All in Pot odds chptr) in other words I am putting my tournament position in jeaopordy on a possible even money situation, when I can just pick a better spot in the future. The only difference between this hand and the one that Harrington gives as an Example, is that here I have a chance of being WA if Im up against a lower pair (in Harrington's example the hand is AK making us even money most of the time). Dealing with a wierd opponent is hard for me because the logic goes out the window...honestly though, applying logic to this I would say he has 10's.



yes, yes it does. :-)

damnit we had a good thing going till "they" moved it to the tourney section..

How does this get moved?

I'm curious if you called and result.

I ran this hand thru Poker Stove,

I gave opponent a likely hand of 99-AA, AK.

Based on that, you are at 48% to win the hand. I would fold this as you don't want to take a coin flip at this point in the tourney since you have a decent chip stack or to invest 20% of your stack in a coin flip.

try running it again w/ AA and KK out if you can, I doubt anyone would play those hands like that. (If u really think there is a chance someone would play it like that, maybe just leave in KK ) I'd be interested in seeing what the results are, thanks..

they dont want tourney strategy in poker strategy section...I wouldnt mind posting here if more people read it, but they dont.



pushed, he had AK rivered A, I went down to 1600 and tilted that away pretty fast.

I think i should have folded, but Im pretty sure its a borderline play either way..

If you take out AA & KK, then you are a 58% favorite

If you just take out AA, then you are a 52% favorite

meh, still not worth it IMO...Id rather wait for a better spot. thanks.

BTW gobears, Ive been meaning to post that hand that u busted me on (100k on Bodog), but I forgot all the details by now. I only remember the fact that I didnt have much of a stack, and I had a gutshot w/ a flush draw...what did u think of the C/R all in? was it too much of a gamble? or was that a time where I needed to gamble to get my stack back in shape?

You were on the button, I was in the SB. You had like J8s I think, I had Q7o.

You limped, I completed and BB checked.

Flop was Q 10 7 with two of your suit. I bet out like 1/2 the pot and you came over the top. It was a good play on your part as I could have been bluffing (probe bet) with nothing and you had both the flush/gut straight draws to fall back on.

Also, I think that you had only 500 chips left and blinds were 30/60 or 50/100 so you needed to make a move.