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KDawgCometh
Party Poker 2/4 Hold'em (10 handed) converter

Preflop: Hero is CO with K:club:, J:spade:.
3 folds, BB checks.

Flop: (4.50 SB) J:club:, A:diamond:, 4:club: (4 players)
BB bets, MP1 calls, MP3 calls, Hero calls.

Turn: (4.25 BB) 9:club: (4 players)
BB checks, MP1 checks, MP3 checks, Hero bets


yes? no? no real reads as I was table hoping, but this was your typical 2/4 BBJ table from what little I saw
econ_tim
I think you check here. You would hate getting check/raised, your hand is unlikely to be best at the moment, and there is zero chance it gets folded around.

By checking you can make a strong hand (and maybe get an extra bet on the river) or show down your hand for one bet.
JesseW316
I am checking here every day and twice on Sunday. Free card, dude!
bdc30
If you are going to play this preflop from the cutoff
I would raise, trying to drive out any A-x garbage.

Since you didn't, I would fold on the flop with a bet
and several cold callers.

The backdoor flush draw on the turn helps,
and I don't mind the bet there, but I still
think you'll need help to take it down.

What's your line if someone check/raises the turn?
mjd
Take the free card. Don't go crazy if the fourth club falls.

Party 2/4 players love their aces and with 3 players left, you're going to get called-down...or maybe raised.
HtotheNootch
This is a good question actually. I think it's close.

Let's see what we're probably against:

1) A weak A;
2) Another J - probably one we have beat; and
3) Some sort of gutshot.

What else is possible but less likely:
1) A made flush who is trying to check raise (this one's bad); and
2) Another pair other than As or Js .

Is there any chance someone folds/slows down? Yes. There's one thing that even low limit players usually notice/worry about - flushes. So there is some fold equity.

Let's assume another J is an out. So that leaves us with 11 outs out of 46 unseen cards. A little more than 4 to 1. If we're not in fear of a check-raise, we're in good shape if we get more money in the pot.

Since I'm trying to be more aggressive these days, I'm probably betting it, but I don't see a big problem with taking the freebie. The check-raise is the only real fear.
Lavitz
If anyone has the ace of clubs I dont see why they're checking the turn. You've got a lot of outs here, but I'd still check, you dont want to risk a reraise. I think if the flush does hit, it's probably good.
amarillotg
im betting! im trying to get anyone holding Ax out of the pot.

betting might:

1) take the pot down right now

2) buy you a free show down

3) get a better hand to fold

and will give you valuable information about your opponents hands.
bdc30
QUOTE (amarillotg)
im betting!  im trying to get anyone holding Ax out of the pot.  

betting might:

1) take the pot down right now

I would say the chance of this happening are about ZERO with  
two cold callers to the flop bet.  Somebody's calling.


2) buy you a free show down
That is about the best thing a bet could accomplish


3) get a better hand to fold

Nobody with an ace, even a ragged one, is folding to a  
single BB here, it's 2-4 limit, not 50-100, consider who  
you are up against...


and will give you valuable information about your opponents hands.
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wrto4556
raise preflop, chump.
amarillotg
QUOTE (bdc30)
QUOTE (amarillotg)
im betting! im trying to get anyone holding Ax out of the pot.

betting might:

1) take the pot down right now

I would say the chance of this happening are about ZERO with
two cold callers to the flop bet. Somebody's calling.


2) buy you a free show down
That is about the best thing a bet could accomplish


3) get a better hand to fold

Nobody with an ace, even a ragged one, is folding to a
single BB here, it's 2-4 limit, not 50-100, consider who
you are up against...


and will give you valuable information about your opponents hands.
[/b]


i play 2/4 and i see alot of people who will call a flop bet only to fold to the turn. there are 2 callers, not cold callers on the flop as there was no raise. think about the river, by checking here your completely in the dark on what your opponents have.
wrto4556
turn = check
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