cgrohman
Thursday, August 4th, 2005, 11:22 AM
I was playing 15-30 when the following hand came up. Just wondering what people would do on the river here.
An early player limped. He was extremely loose and unpredicatble. He had been making a lot of strange plays, such as check calling, and then folding on the river when draws got there, making me wonder what the heck he was holding.
I had AQ of hearts in the cutoff and I bumped it. Only the limper called. Flop came A107 with 2 clubs. He checked. I bet. Turn was the 4 of hearts. He checked, I bet. River was the 4 of diamonds.
He then led????
Would you flat call here or would you pop it???
Thanks
speedz99
Thursday, August 4th, 2005, 11:26 AM
The only hand I could see him having that beats you is two clubs, one of which being a 4.
I say raise/call.
Lavitz
Thursday, August 4th, 2005, 11:36 AM
This is a strange play indeed, I would flat call, if you reraise I doubt he's folding, as he probably expects you to reraise seeing that you've been betting on every street. He probably led with the intention of reaising you after you reraised him. He could have made a set on the flop, and a boat on the river. The only possible hand that you have beat is Ace-Rag. Since he's so unorthodox, he might have even limped with AK, and have you beat. Although it's unlikely he has a 4, he could have made a set on the flop for the boat on the river.
wrto4556
Thursday, August 4th, 2005, 11:38 AM
just call
if he's bluffing he's not calling a raise. If he has fours full he's 3-betting.
yeffy
Thursday, August 4th, 2005, 11:44 AM
I've been in this situation before and it's weird and confusing. People at 10/20 to 40/80 (my area of experience) seem to make some weird plays out of position. Usually they are desperate attempts to pick off bluffs or salvage missed draws. My thinking is what hands is he going to lead with here that have you beat? A slowplayed set, A4, 4c5c, 3c4c, and not much else. You most likely have the best hand. What hands will he call a raise with that you have beat? Any ace and that's about all. I find little value in a raise here as a call from a worse hand is not very likely.
(I do have to say though that passive river play is a slight leak in my LH game)
bdams19
Thursday, August 4th, 2005, 11:46 AM
QUOTE (wrto4556)
just call
if he's bluffing he's not calling a raise. If he has fours full he's 3-betting.
Agreed.
dmb41
Thursday, August 4th, 2005, 12:14 PM
I'm gonna say call as well. If he has you beat, he will 3 bet so I doubt a raise will accomplish much here. (1.) He could have put you on a club draw and when it didn't hit he took a stab. (2. ) He put you on an Ace and when the scare card came on the river he though he could make you lay down top pair due to his unpredicatability. (3.) He actually does have you beat and you will have to pay him off.
cgrohman
Thursday, August 4th, 2005, 1:22 PM
QUOTE (bdams19)
QUOTE (wrto4556)
just call
if he's bluffing he's not calling a raise. If he has fours full he's 3-betting.
Agreed.
This was my thinking to. I couldn't imagine a hand that he would call a raise with that would have me beat. Against, 99% of people I normally would flat call. For some reason, I just thought he had a weak ace or something along those lines and might pay me off. Based on his previous plays I am sure he didnt have a 4.
I actually decided to raise it and he folded, so I still have no idea what he had.
yeffy
Thursday, August 4th, 2005, 1:32 PM
QUOTE (cgrohman)
I actually decided to raise it and he folded, so I still have no idea what he had.
In addition to what I stated earlier another good reason for a smooth call when a raise will not be profitable. That would be a great bit of info to have, then you can find a tendency for him to bluff missed draws and exploit that.
DCSports92GSR
Thursday, August 4th, 2005, 1:51 PM
QUOTE (wrto4556)
just call
if he's bluffing he's not calling a raise. If he has fours full he's 3-betting.
Correct-u-mundo
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