PokerStars 1/2 Hold'em (9 handed) FTR converter on zerodivide.cx

Preflop: Hero is MP2 with T:heart:, J:diamond:.
1 fold, UTG+1 calls, Hero calls.

Flop: (7.50 SB) T:club:, 3:club:, 8:heart: (3 players)
UTG+1 checks, Hero bets, MP3 folds, UTG+1 calls.

Turn: (4.75 BB) 9:diamond: (2 players)
UTG+1 checks, Hero bets, UTG+1 calls.

River: (6.75 BB) J:heart: (2 players)
UTG+1 checks, Hero bets, ...

this is standard, right?

aseem

im checking, I feel im only getting called my a worser hand if he has a worse 2 pair

Check!

You'll feel stupid after getting checked raised, and wonder "why the hell did I do that"

If you bet, you probably won't get a call anyways. You're beat if you do.

just to play the devil's advocate, i'll mention that the game is a little on the loose/passive side, but people aren't calling with absolutely nothing on each street, either.

how does this change things, if at all?

aseem

bet/call. two pair has showdown value

You kind of have to notice this player's tendencies. Some players will always bet their 1 card straight or flush when they hit it on the river, this is probably one of the things you should try and pay attention to, because it will save you a lot of bets later on.

There are other players who love to check-raise in these situations when they make their hand. I'd bet here against a weak calling station and check against a tougher player who I know is not paying me off with weaker hands.

if you're going to call a raise, its better to check.

bet/fold is probably your best option. He checked it to you so you should bet your two pair for value. power of position, i guess.

if he check/raises, i think its a pretty easy fold.

though he probably just missed his draw...its still just a better check...He could bluff at you and its still not a call you want to have to make

what?

J8 calls, J9 calls, a lone 8 or 9 calls, a T calls...lots of hands call.

Okay, this is a definite bet on the river. One thing that scares me about lower limits, is the possibility of people getting into bad habits. I would bet the river if I was playing 1-2 or 200-400. If I get check raised, I'm STILL calling in most cases. Especially at higher limits. Believe it or not, in a mdeium to semi-hi limit game. People will slow play Aces and Kings to the river. They will also check raise trying to represent a hand. The opponent could also check raise with Ace Jack or King Jack. Anyway you slice it, I'm betting the river. And unless I know the player will NOT be bluffing for sure, I'm calling regardless of what happens after the bet.

anybody playin a jack technically missed their open ended on the river. Its just my opinion on it...usually when somebody check calls they are drawing to something and with the 2 clubs on the board thats what i would put him on...

If I bet the river, I'm definitely calling the raise. I do think this is a river bet though the more I think about it, because weaker hands are calling you here.

i dont think calling the river is very good against a typical donky

in what sense?

he was a mild version of a calling station. pretty loose, pretty passive. he didn't call down with nothing, though...

aseem

what do you see him check/raising with that we beat?

oh, i misread your post. i thought it said "i don't think _betting_ the river ..."

i think if i bet and he raised, i would fold this with a more solid read that he was passive. i don't mind calling his raise just to see his cards at all, honestly. just one bet for a good amount of information about how he plays any hand that contains a Q or a 7 here.

aseem

ok, SO...

i think this is a value bet against loose/passive players. there aren't many hands he's calling that flop with that have a Q or 7 in them.

i'm damn sure i'll get a call from any pair and two pair.

if he checkraises, i would fold if i was confident he wouldn't do it with anything less than a straight, but i can't be sure he's not dumb and wouldn't checkraise here with J-8 for a rivered lower two pair or something.

so, i think the best line is to bet/call.

what does everyone think?

i think the most important thing is that i DO get called by plenty of worse hands.

aseem

i would bet it. mabey fold if he check raises but mabey call also. you might get called by a single pair there on the river.

Except that I don't see him check/raising with anything that beats us either.... The river was an overcard to the board and put an OESD out there, so if he has a Q in his hand (QK-Q8 are all possible), it seems like a bad spot to go for a check/raise, since there a good chance we'll check behind. I think he usually just bets out with a Q. And I imagine he just bets out with a 7; I can't believe he'd c/r a 7.

Even fish bluff-raise once in a while - I think bet/call is probably the best line here.