Fenani
Monday, August 1st, 2005, 5:43 AM
Last night I won a 180ish person tourney on Jet Set Poker. One critical hand came up though that I would like opinions on.
We are at the final table with 7 people left. BB is a very solid, tight aggressive player with 50k in chips. UTG+1 is a very loose aggressive player, who I have seen raise pre-flop and call any size bet to the river with as little as an inside str8 draw with K7 suited, with 80k in chips. And I am UTG+2 with 40k in chips, which is about 4th at the table at this point.
Blinds are 1k/2k with 200 ante.
I get dealt QQ (for this discussion, suits are irrelevant)
UTG folds. UTG+1 raises to 5k. Pretty much what he has done every hand it folds to him in any position.
First question is what would you do here?
I decided to raise it to 20k. I wanted to make the other players realize I was pot commited and make them think hard before entering the pot, but I also wanted a call from the loose UTG+2.
It folds to the BB, and he goes all in. UTG+2 folds. Second question is what would you do here?
I figured up the pot at 66,400 in chips, so Im getting 3-1 pot odds. I figure I am pot commited and call. BB flips over KK. I spike a Q on the flop and BB goes nuts saying how badly I played that hand. Please feel free to give me an opinion.
Mike Howland
bdams19
Monday, August 1st, 2005, 5:48 AM
It's a raise or fold, and unless you can put him on KK or AA here you're probably raising this.
krup24
Monday, August 1st, 2005, 5:48 AM
Honestly you played the hand properly based on what you did before the BB pushed. As you said you made urself pot committed when u bet half ur stack after the donkey raised. Nothing u could do when BB pushed but call. You did get lucky but thats poker the overpair doesn't always beat the underpair.
JSHamm
Monday, August 1st, 2005, 5:50 AM
This is one of those hands where you both played it correctly and you got lucky in the end. Congrats on the win.
nhlfan
Monday, August 1st, 2005, 5:50 AM
Like you said, you were betting out to show everyone you were pot committed. After that large of a raise, I don't think you had any other options but to call it and hope for some luck. You were in a good spot to double up, just unlucky that the BB had a hand. That's just my opinion, I probably would have played it the same way after the large bet.
TruePoker
Monday, August 1st, 2005, 5:52 AM
I think you played it well and just got unlucky then lucky to come up against KK. Had the BB had any other hand he woulda folded and your Loose Aggressive player woulda called / pushed to your raise which is what you wanted.
greatwhite
Monday, August 1st, 2005, 5:58 AM
What are you going to do fold? You got QQ. The BB was just upset. You played it well and got lucky.
allinbluff35
Monday, August 1st, 2005, 6:03 AM
tell the guy to upgrade his pattern mapper and he would have known he should have just folded PF.
ziggy587
Monday, August 1st, 2005, 7:15 AM
It is just funny that he thinks you played the hand poorly, yet he got all of your money in as like a 4 to 1 dog. He was just pissed that you spiked a Q. For all he should have cared, you could of had 88 and spiked a 8, all the same. But you did all you could do with the hand...nice flop... :-)
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