50c/$1 limit HE, eight-handed

pre-flop: akishore is MP2 with 5 4 .
..., EP2 calls, ..., akishore calls, ..., SB completes, BB checks.

flop: J 3 2 (4 SB, 4 players)
SB checks, BB checks, EP2 freaking bets, SB calls, BB folds.

turn: J (3.5 BB, 3 players)
SB checks, EP2 bets, SB calls.

river:
easily playable, irrelevant (folding if i don't hit flush or straight, raising otherwise).

just checking up, this is way correct, right?

aseem

i don't like the PF limp. you need some more players in to do that. and yes, everything else is stan didlly standard

yessir.

the table was normally looser. i think this hand was an exception.

aseem

even if the table is pretty loose, I don't make this limp with anything less than 87s and that hand is a big maybe, 98s or 109s for sure

shouldn't the table's aggressiveness (or lack of) play into whether you limp 54s in that position?

aseem

for me, no. If there is another limper too, then for sure, but you can never be garunteed that you will get another three limpers behind you. From the position that you are at, I want to play a suited connector that also has some sort of pair value, which 54s certainly doesn't have

Is raising the flop really wrong?

You may force out the SB and BB and that's the bad side, but if they are loose they may still call and that's great.

However, my main point is that it may buy you a free card on the turn. And you don't really mind a re-raise from EP either, since you probably have the best hand here.

Am I way off?

pot is small, we have a very strong / monster draw. our main aim right now is to build up the pot. since we don't have overcards to protect, we don't need to raise to buy outs and protect overcard outs. so, since our main incentive is to build the pot (i.e. invite more players in), calling is better than raising.

another way of thinking about it:

our draw is an insensitive one. that is, whether we are up against one opponent or three, we have the same number of outs and practically the same odds of having the best hand by showdown (the exception is an opponent with a single higher spade, but that percentage drop in our equity in those situations is only about 3%... since the pot is not nearly big enough that such a percentage makes a difference, it's negligible).

so, we can be putting in 50% of the money (heads-up) with a roughly 55% chance of making a straight/flush by showdown (a small edge), or we can be putting in 25% of the money (four-way) or 33% of the money (three-way) with the same 55% chance of making a straight/flush by showdown (humongous edge).

understand?

aseem

p.s. raising for a free card is best used in position. we might check the turn but still not get a free card with a player to act behind us. plus, raising for a free card here, even when successful, has less EV than calling and inviting both players into the pot if raising for a free card forces them both to fold.

p.s.s. if you haven't read "small stakes hold 'em" by ed miller, do so at your earliest convenience.

Got it, good point.




I agree with your line, just a comment on this. We are last to act on the turn. Also we are probably thrilled to have SB and/or BB call two cold on the flop, but we probably shouldn't count on that since the pot is so small.

my friend says not to play 45s from mp, even in a loosey goosey game.
Possibly having to play it for a raise behind you would kinda suck

My fiend thinks you know more than he does, so he's just offering his view.

odds to hit to river:

lets say 2 of our flush card outs would boat your opponent..so..we have 13 outs

33 : 13 or 2.53 to 1 against.

Wow..we still have a good draw!

so yes..played perfectly post flop according to my friend

whoops, missed that.

my bad.

aseem

lmao... your friend.

i'll think about the 54s pre-flop call. i'm sure it must be okay in SOME game conditions, right?

eh. it might have been a little loose.

aseem

p.s. enough of this shit. don't stop giving advice, you know your shit more than you realize. and, you won't learn until you start thinking more actively and voicing your thoughts and getting ripped apart or encouraged.

I gave my word.
let me wait awhile.