It's a commonly accepted belief in this forum that none of us are perfect and that we can all learn. Whenever I post a question, it seems as though many will jump on board and give their opinion having just looked at the first post. I've heard the reasoning behind that, and I think it goes against the purpose of having a forum if we treat each question like a quiz.

Why can't we all just read, or at least skim the threads?

Back before the NHL was closed down, the Blues fired their play by play guy, Ken Wilson. He was famous for his monotone voice and minutes of awkward silence. ESPN used to have exciting and entertaining coverage; you would NEVER fall asleep when Clement and Pang were in the booth. The difference between a Wilson and a Clement is that Wilson REFUSED to go down to the locker room before the game and talk with the players. He said it would add an unnecessary element of bias to his commentary. The result was a boring and dry call.

Soak in everything that you can from every thread you participate in. If you see someone else giving advice that is obviously wrong, they need to be corrected. If everybody were to just ignore everything but the first post, we'd never change our opinions and learn from our mistakes when we give advice. Don't deny yourself the information that is freely available. Don't be Ken Wilson :-)

Ken Wilson ruled. Go Blues.

I used to fall asleep after the first period, without fail. Ken sucked compared to the ESPN crew because he never talked to the players. I love hearing the little jokes and rivalries and attitudes from the locker room during the game--it adds something of a plot to the game. You lose that if the guy calling the game has intentionally taken that tool out of his toolbox.

What's with the abundance of self-righteous threads lately? It's annoying...just a tad...

Is there something wrong with trying to help the forum? I'm sorry, when I have an observation, I'll PM you first and then we can decide if it should be posted. As it is, I'm tired of reading repetitive noise in every thread.

look, don't tell me how to post. I always reply before I have seen other replies as I don't want it to effect how I post my advice. I will then go back and read the other replies and see if I can chime in. Why do you care so much as to reading repetitive stuff, it can be very important. Seriously, cut the self rightous crap

You're missing the fundamental reason behind the forum. It's a discussion because everybody is "supposed" to be reading the content and forming new opinions. Your comments are WORTHLESS to the original poster and everybody else that has participated in the thread if you do not read what has already been said.

I care about repetitive stuff because it isn't important. It's been said. It's history. It's redundant. I understand that the same issues come up over time in different posts, but why do we have to give exactly the same advice five times in every thread?

Plain and simple, you don't know what needs to be said if you haven't seen the whole discussion. I don't know why anybody would refuse to spend a few seconds skimming the other posts to find points that need to be discussed further or mistakes that need to be corrected.

:shock:



You owe me a new chair. I fell to the floor when I read that.

well, if you care so much then simply don't post in here. I'm not missing the fundemental reason at all, I think you are getting up on your soapbox and trying to preach. Who the fuck are you to tell someone how to post, please. I'm not gonna change how I post becasue of you, and I can say for certain that many won't change how they post becasuse of you. Seriuosly, if it bothers you that much, then don't post here, we won't miss you

For every person that doesn't read the full thread, there are an equal number that will read a response from Smash, Aseem, or Chris and just auto agree with everything they say. How the heck is that of any value to the OP?

Granted they are all very strong players, but just saying "I agree with Smash" doesn't freakin help the "discussion" either. It definitely takes more away from the discussion even more than those who "Post in the dark."

BTW Don't mess w/ Kdawg. He'll take you out back and you won't be comin around front anymore. :wink:

You think I'm preaching for the sake of preaching? Why would I do that? Think, kdawg.

If everybody followed your reasoning (and thank god they don't) we'd have two sets of replies from every member, one completely uninformed and one responding to all the stuff they missed in the first go-through, possibly with an entirely new opinion. That isn't helpful; that's noise. Use that brain to store the initial reactions.



And that's fine! What's wrong with people who have looked through everything being in agreement with a stronger player? Contrary to some beliefs, there is usually one correct move in a given situation, and Smash et al are pretty good at finding it.



You act like there's some defeat in agreeing after you've read the discussion. I'm confused. We don't have to hear kdawg's misguided initial opinion to know that Smash is right. How is going through a thread, making sure everything is correct, and agreeing with a strong player a bad thing? How is this on the same level as "posting in the dark"-type useless noise? You can ALWAYS add something new and worthwhile to a discussion, even in agreement.



Thanks for the warning. I've learned that he employs the dynamic duo of posting: crafty board manipulation (to include his obscenities) and devastating logic!

i think its smart to post 1 post with only looking at the first one, then post another after reading everyone elses reply.

If the same thing is posted over and over, doesn't that kinda lead you to believe the question at hand has been answered?

I never read what other people have written because I don't want it to influence the response to the post. If it happens to go along with every other post in the thread, it should indicate the information you are getting is correct.

Also, if someone posts a hand history, and they ask a specific question like, "Should I have bet the turn here, or checked hoping for a check/rasise", and 4 people post bet the turn and explain why, how is it a bad thing? The OP asked a question and got 4 answers to it saying bet it and the reason why. The purpose of this particular section of the forums is to discuss strategy. If the answer to a question is clear cut you are going to get the same answer.

well, here's my take:

1. it's important to read the whole OP. too many people just skim it and make a lot of erroneous replies.

2. by reading the whole thread, a lot of intermediate players take sides too easily. they might see some vets arguing one point, and then they fear arguing the other and subconsciously just agree with the vets. i used to be this way, and i promise that this doesn't help. BeanGW is right on with what he's saying, IMHO.

3. after you've posted your unbiased response (reading only the OP), then you can read the rest of the replies and edit/add to your reply. you shouldn't change it if you see the vets arguing another point, but you can change/add to it if you see that a point you brought up was already discussed and resolved, etc.

so, all in all, i always agreed with chris in that i like to post one reply before reading the whole thread, and then go back and read it and then edit/add if i need to.

just my opinion.

aseem

which is what I said in my first post in this thread.






funny how everyone is following my reasoning of post their initial reply first, and then going into discussion after making a first post. the initial opinion is very important, or are you not getting that. I actually take my time to make a post and state my thoughts. Do you read most other websites, the majority of posters post before reading other responses as to not taint their initial opinion. how is it noise if someone is stating what they think. By going through and possibly making a new opinion that is where the discussion lies, or do you not get that





this is so unbelievably ridiculous that its almost funny. I'm not tooting my horn, but people actually respect what I say. please cite some posts where I have been "misguided" as you say. Please tell me as I'd love to know. this line right here completely invalidates your argument as it is obvious that you don't even read my posts or else you wouldn't have made this idiotic statement.


I say good day

I always read every response before I respond, because if someone else says what I wanted to say, I don't have to waste my time replying. If no one else says what I want to say, then I say it.

Every once in awhile, if I really agree with something someone says, I respond to say that I agree with them, just so everyone knows I am very much behind my opinion. Knock off the self-righteous, smart-ass posts. Not just the OP, everyone.

No one here is special, no one's opinion on the posting habits of other members matters. I say if no one asked you how you felt, or asked for a general opinion, then keep your mouth shut because you aren't special and no one cares. If people wanted someone else's opinion, they would ask for it.

[quote=strategy]We don't have to hear kdawg's misguided initial opinion to know that Smash is right[/quote]


this is so unbelievably ridiculous that its almost funny. I'm not tooting my horn, but people actually respect what I say. please cite some posts where I have been "misguided" as you say. Please tell me as I'd love to know. this line right here completely invalidates your argument as it is obvious that you don't even read my posts or else you wouldn't have made this idiotic statement.


I say good day[/quote]

It was a generalization, and I apologize for using you as an example of somebody who hasn't read the entire thread and has posted their thoughts "in the dark." I didn't intend to take a shot at your playing ability, and I apologize if it came off like that.

I've explained it as clearly as I can, and everybody still thinks it's okay to "post in the dark," so this is dead as far as I'm concerned. Apologies all around.

Edit - Okay, I saw this and had to respond

[quote]I say if no one asked you how you felt, or asked for a general opinion, then keep your mouth shut because you aren't special and no one cares. If people wanted someone else's opinion, they would ask for it.[/quote]

I'd seen it a lot in the threads I'd posted asking questions, and it gets annoying checking the thread six times (I have e-mail notification turned on) to see the same answer almost word for word. I'll live with it, because I have to talk to SOMEBODY about this stuff

My mommy says I'm special. :cry:

Oh, and I agree with everyone on this thread.

Seriously though...I usually read a whole thread before responding, so I guess I get a biased view. If I have something to add to the discussion, I add it.

I don't like to (for the most part) look at what others have said, as they may influence my thoughts on the topic at hand. I usually go back after and check out what others thought, then maybe comment again if I think they are incorrect in something or if I have erred in my analysis. I would think that the forum would want 100 different viewpoints to a question than 25 different viewpoints from a bunch of posers... 8)