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akishore
$2/4 limit he, absolute poker, nine-handed

pre-flop: akishore is SB with 10 icon_suit_club.gif 10 icon_suit_spade.gif .
..., MP1 limps, MP2 limps, MP3 raises, ..., MP3 calls.

flop: K icon_suit_heart.gif J icon_suit_spade.gif 3 icon_suit_diamond.gif (9 SB, 2 players)
akishore bets, MP3 calls.

turn: Q icon_suit_heart.gif (5 BB, 2 players)
akishore bets.

river: 7 icon_suit_diamond.gif (7 BB, 2 players)
[i]akishore checks
, MP3 bets.

1. how do you play the turn? check/call or bet/call? check/calling seemed so weak, but i hated the possibility of getting raised with a good number of outs. should i actually be folding on the turn since my draw is mediocre in strength (one-card with a two-flush on board... i could possibly be drawing slim against A-10 or drawing to a chop against 10-x)?

2. without a read, calling the river seemed okay getting 8-to-1. i also hate folding on the river after showing aggression throughout the hand. it entices people to get trickier and more aggressive against me, and i hate that. i don't want to get run over. regardless, was calling the river okay since i had come this far?

aseem
Jordan
Math wise, calling the river..well, I suck at math, but I'm assuming yes.

I doubt 10-10 was any good though. With three over cards and the raise on the turn, you can be pretty sure he's got you beat, unless he got tricky with a flush draw on the turn..however, he would have to have like A9h or something.

AT also possible.

Either way I think you're beat here. I know what you mean about folding the river though too. Sometimes it sucks, I have a harder time sometimes than usual.

- Jordan
jayboogie
I don't like the turn bet, any hand he can raise beats you unless hes stealing or has a lower pocket pair(very unlikely) You have to know your behind here, with 3 overs to your pocket 10's, what can you beat here? I'd have checked behind on the turn and most of the time fold the river. I'd call the river only to look him up and it'd be the rare occassion I'd do this.

I think you lost a lotta unneccessary bets here and probably overplayed the hand.
popeye18
I think theres something wrong with the pot numbers. Shouldnt there be 9bb in by the river?
econ_tim
Betting the turn is spewing. He's not folding an A, and all the paint on the board likely connected with his hand if he has no ace.

You can give a free card because you fear no overs, and if he has a straight draw you are either sharing outs or holding two of his outs.

I'm not too worried about the flush draw, but you should discount some of your outs. You have 3 aces to the nuts, 1 ace to broadway with three hearts on board. Heavily discount the tens. The nines are probably good 2/3 of the time.

So the turn call looks marginal. I call because you should make up the bet if you hit your hand (but this relies on folding when you miss).
jayboogie
actually nevermind what I said about the position thing, didnt notice you were in the small blind. But anyways, I think check-folding the turn is the better option, your usually in bad shape here and there's not a whole lot of money in the pot to be drawing for the straight either. This hand is kinda iffy, but you gotta pretty much figure your behind here, might as well dump it given the pot is not exactly huge, save yourself bets for a better spot.
akishore
yeah, i agree that betting the turn was crappy--fold equity only against A-x sometimes and a lower pair sometimes.

so, i should be checking.

but am i calling one bet to hit a straight? assuming i'm not drawing to a chop, i have the odds...

a case can also be made for folding to a bet, since i could be drawing to a chop and the pot isn't that big and my pair is almost definitely no good.

aseem
idiotbocs
check/call the turn, and probably check/fold the river.
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