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Nutcracker
Been way too unfocused while playing today, so no specific reads on villian, but the table has all been fairly loose/passive and I had no reason to think villian is any different.

Hero is sb with [Qs] [Ts]

Preflop: MP1 limps, MP2 limps, button limps, hero complete, bb checks.

Flop (5 SB): [Kh] [Jh] [5s]
hero checks, bb checks, MP1 bets, MP2 folds, button calls, hero raises, bb folds, MP1 calls, bb calls.

c/r with my oesd and bdfd for equity and possible free card on turn (passive table).

Turn (5.5 BB): [Ad]
hero bets, MP1 calls, button folds.

River (7.5 BB): [Jd]
Hero bets, MP1 raises, Hero ...

What's your move?
akishore
i'm not a fan of the flop checkraise, but that's a different story.

he would raise you on the turn with two pair or a set most likely (unless he was slowplaying it and wanted the button in also, but i think that's rare).

three-bet that shit. he just has trip jacks.

aseem
Blink20
A K J 5 on turn...


He doesn't have 55, JJ, KK or AA imo, even donkey's know when there is a flush draw, those hands get raised on the turn

AJ and KJ also out imo

Basically, I'm agreeing with akishore (just being specific)

I've gotta put him on a hand like J10 or QJ, much more so then putting him on a boat. With an obvious flush and straight draw on turn, there's no reason for him not to raise two pair or set in position.

If he was slowplaying a hand like that, you get to say nice hand as he squeezes four bets out of you on river.

I like three betting river.

(*Also check raise out of position on flop isn't a free card play, its a play that when you don't hit on turn, your opponent feels smart for figuring you out and can have confidence betting his pair of jacks again...)
Nutcracker
In a passive game where a flop c/r will often buy you a free turncard (cause they fear another c/r, that's what passive people do), is that not a good play? Also had to figure I was above 33% chance to hit straight or backdoor flush, so getting more money in is good, no?
CobaltBlue
The check-raise for a free play card will sometimes work at a passive table. However, put yourself in your opponents shoes. How often do you see someone go for a double check-raise? As I recall, I've had someone pull it on me twice in the past month or two. It's pretty rare.
RISEorFall
Don't raise for a free card when you're out of position, and 2 of your outs could easily give someone else a flush.
Nutcracker
As far as the river play, I agree. It's obvious our opponent just hit trip jacks, but he would have raised the turn with 2 pair or a set. Even donks know to protect those hands and they actually tend to overvalue 2 pair. 3-betting is definately the right move. I had just taken several bad beats though, and wasn't thinking straight, so I just called. I think someone called it "passive tilt".
Blink20
QUOTE (Nutcracker)
As far as the river play, I agree. It's obvious our opponent just hit trip jacks, but he would have raised the turn with 2 pair or a set. Even donks know to protect those hands and they actually tend to overvalue 2 pair. 3-betting is definately the right move. I had just taken several bad beats though, and wasn't thinking straight, so I just called. I think someone called it "passive tilt".


Any tilt is bad tilt. If you know you are off your game for a little bit because of bad beats, or even if you just took some horrendous beats, but feel like you can continue, its still best to take a break. Play again tomorrow :-)
Nutcracker
There are different degrees of tilt. If the worst I'm doing is missing 1 river bet, I'm not playing bad enough to where I need to turn off the computer. Besides, the place I play at now is so soft that I can beat it for 5BB/100 while on tilt laugh.gif
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