Nutcracker
Saturday, July 9th, 2005, 6:23 PM
Been way too unfocused while playing today, so no specific reads on villian, but the table has all been fairly loose/passive and I had no reason to think villian is any different.
Hero is sb with [Qs] [Ts]
Preflop: MP1 limps, MP2 limps, button limps, hero complete, bb checks.
Flop (5 SB): [Kh] [Jh] [5s]
hero checks, bb checks, MP1 bets, MP2 folds, button calls, hero raises, bb folds, MP1 calls, bb calls.
c/r with my oesd and bdfd for equity and possible free card on turn (passive table).
Turn (5.5 BB): [Ad]
hero bets, MP1 calls, button folds.
River (7.5 BB): [Jd]
Hero bets, MP1 raises, Hero ...
What's your move?
akishore
Saturday, July 9th, 2005, 6:25 PM
i'm not a fan of the flop checkraise, but that's a different story.
he would raise you on the turn with two pair or a set most likely (unless he was slowplaying it and wanted the button in also, but i think that's rare).
three-bet that shit. he just has trip jacks.
aseem
Blink20
Saturday, July 9th, 2005, 6:34 PM
A K J 5 on turn...
He doesn't have 55, JJ, KK or AA imo, even donkey's know when there is a flush draw, those hands get raised on the turn
AJ and KJ also out imo
Basically, I'm agreeing with akishore (just being specific)
I've gotta put him on a hand like J10 or QJ, much more so then putting him on a boat. With an obvious flush and straight draw on turn, there's no reason for him not to raise two pair or set in position.
If he was slowplaying a hand like that, you get to say nice hand as he squeezes four bets out of you on river.
I like three betting river.
(*Also check raise out of position on flop isn't a free card play, its a play that when you don't hit on turn, your opponent feels smart for figuring you out and can have confidence betting his pair of jacks again...)
Nutcracker
Saturday, July 9th, 2005, 6:34 PM
In a passive game where a flop c/r will often buy you a free turncard (cause they fear another c/r, that's what passive people do), is that not a good play? Also had to figure I was above 33% chance to hit straight or backdoor flush, so getting more money in is good, no?
CobaltBlue
Saturday, July 9th, 2005, 6:52 PM
The check-raise for a free play card will sometimes work at a passive table. However, put yourself in your opponents shoes. How often do you see someone go for a double check-raise? As I recall, I've had someone pull it on me twice in the past month or two. It's pretty rare.
RISEorFall
Saturday, July 9th, 2005, 6:56 PM
Don't raise for a free card when you're out of position, and 2 of your outs could easily give someone else a flush.
Nutcracker
Saturday, July 9th, 2005, 6:57 PM
As far as the river play, I agree. It's obvious our opponent just hit trip jacks, but he would have raised the turn with 2 pair or a set. Even donks know to protect those hands and they actually tend to overvalue 2 pair. 3-betting is definately the right move. I had just taken several bad beats though, and wasn't thinking straight, so I just called. I think someone called it "passive tilt".
Blink20
Saturday, July 9th, 2005, 7:00 PM
QUOTE (Nutcracker)
As far as the river play, I agree. It's obvious our opponent just hit trip jacks, but he would have raised the turn with 2 pair or a set. Even donks know to protect those hands and they actually tend to overvalue 2 pair. 3-betting is definately the right move. I had just taken several bad beats though, and wasn't thinking straight, so I just called. I think someone called it "passive tilt".
Any tilt is bad tilt. If you know you are off your game for a little bit because of bad beats, or even if you just took some horrendous beats, but feel like you can continue, its still best to take a break. Play again tomorrow :-)
Nutcracker
Saturday, July 9th, 2005, 7:20 PM
There are different degrees of tilt. If the worst I'm doing is missing 1 river bet, I'm not playing bad enough to where I need to turn off the computer. Besides, the place I play at now is so soft that I can beat it for 5BB/100 while on tilt
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