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Blink20
I think I played this about right, Im just branching into splashing around into more pots though, so I want to make sure I'm not throwing away money long run with wrong odds. Any feedback appreciated :-)




PokerStars No-Limit Hold'em, $1.00 BB (9 handed) converter

BB ($314.95)
UTG ($34.35)
UTG+1 ($23.85)
MP1 ($61.80)
MP2 ($221.60)
MP3 ($58.70)
CO ($154.45)
Hero ($97.50)
SB ($68.90)

Preflop: Hero is Button with [7d], [6d]. MP2 posts a blind of $1.50.
1 fold, CO calls $1, Hero calls $1, SB completes, BB checks.


Nice big multi way pot building, ofcourse I call in the best position.


Flop: ($7.50) [Td], [9h], [5c] (7 players)
SB checks, BB checks, UTG+1 checks, MP1 checks, MP2 checks, CO checks, Hero bets $2, SB folds, BB folds, UTG+1 calls $2, MP1 folds, MP2 calls $2, CO folds.


Here I'm thinking I can get a free card. With about 8 in the pot, if I bet two and get checked to, then I'm getting 4-1 (plus river bets), on a gutshot with two cards to come. I think that should cover the cost of the draw. If I get check raised, oh well, but I am pretty confident at this weak table they will check on turn, no matter what they hit.

Turn: ($13.50) [9d] (3 players)
UTG+1 checks, MP2 checks, Hero bets $7, MP2 folds, Hero calls $7.


Now I decide to say goodbye to the free card play because I turned a huge draw, gutshot with a flush. Plus the turn is sort of a scare card, I wouldn't mind taking it down right there, thus my 3/4 pot bet.

Then I find the short stack ran into a hand. His mini raise is ofcourse trip nines or better. At this point it is 7 to win 35, plus he saved 7 in his stack so i'm getting 6-1 on my call. If he's not boated, then that's a good enough price, or is it? The possibility of him having a boat here, is 6-1 enough to chase this draw?



River: ($41.50) [8h] (2 players)
UTG+1 bets $6.85 (All-In), Hero calls $6.85.

I hit on river, so I obviously call his 7 remaining.
Final Pot: $55.20


Any better approaches to this hand?
Smasharoo


Any better approaches to this hand?


Nah betting wildly with a gutshot on a paired board and calling raises is the best way.
RISEorFall
why bet to get a free card? If you can check and take a free card, isn't that cheaper?
EDIT: especially with a gutshot that doesn't even give you the nuts.
Blink20
QUOTE (Smasharoo)


Any better approaches to this hand?


Nah betting wildly with a gutshot on a paired board and calling raises is the best way.


wildy with a gutshot and flush draw ;-)
Blink20
QUOTE (RISEorFall)
why bet to get a free card? If you can check and take a free card, isn't that cheaper?
EDIT: especially with a gutshot that doesn't even give you the nuts.


Free card on the turn... I gotta figure if it gets checked around on flop, someone is gonna bet their hand on the turn. I suppose that could be wrong, but with them all checking on turn after i bet 2 on flop... I 'm getting 4-1 with two cards to come on my gutshot.
RISEorFall
I understand you want the free card on the turn. But you need about 10.5 -1 on a gutshot, not 4-1. I'd much rather get to see 1 card for free than 2 cards for $2. Especially when all of a sudden you're making it 4-1 on a 11 - 1 gutshot.
Blink20
QUOTE (RISEorFall)
I understand you want the free card on the turn. But you need about 10.5 -1 on a gutshot, not 4-1. I'd much rather get to see 1 card for free than 2 cards for $2. Especially when all of a sudden you're making it 4-1 on a 11 - 1 gutshot.


11-1 with one card to come. I was assuming I could get two cards for 2 bucks....
RISEorFall
QUOTE (Blink20)
11-1 with one card to come. I was assuming I could get two cards for 2 bucks....
You probably can. But I'd still rather get 1 card for free than 2 cards for $2
Smasharoo
The turn bet where you might be drawinf completely dead followed by the call of the raise is pretty creative.
Blink20
QUOTE (Smasharoo)
The turn bet where you might be drawinf completely dead followed by the call of the raise is pretty creative.



I figure I almost have to bet the turn there. Seems no one wanted the pot. Naturally they could be setting me up for a check raise, but more times than not, that 9 isn't going to give anyone trips, it'll just give someone a worse hand.

That bet was to just take down the pot right there. I think 7 to win 13 wasn't too bad of a bet.
The problem was his mini check raise which is always strength at these tables.

I guess my question is, am I too committed to be worried about a boat.

This short stack only had 7 left... giving me 6-1 to make my hand on the river. Had he just pushed all in on turn, I would only bet getting, 14 to win 42, so probably not quite enough, also considering he coulda already boated up.


You really think betting that turn is a huge mistake?
Smasharoo

You really think betting that turn is a huge mistake?


Yes.

Take the card. You have position on the river so if a diamond hits and someone bets out you can consider if your ten high flush is anywhere near good.
RISEorFall
QUOTE (Blink20)
that 9 isn't going to give anyone trips, it'll just give someone a worse hand.
Worse than your 7 high?
Kendren
QUOTE (Blink20)
QUOTE (Smasharoo)
The turn bet where you might be drawinf completely dead followed by the call of the raise is pretty creative.



I figure I almost have to bet the turn there. Seems no one wanted the pot. Naturally they could be setting me up for a check raise, but more times than not, that 9 isn't going to give anyone trips, it'll just give someone a worse hand.

That bet was to just take down the pot right there. I think 7 to win 13 wasn't too bad of a bet.
The problem was his mini check raise which is always strength at these tables.

I guess my question is, am I too committed to be worried about a boat.


This short stack only had 7 left... giving me 6-1 to make my hand on the river. Had he just pushed all in on turn, I would only bet getting, 14 to win 42, so probably not quite enough, also considering he coulda already boated up.


You really think betting that turn is a huge mistake?


You weren't until you bet the turn and called his raise. You said it shows strength at these tables, meaning you could be drawing utterly dead, and yet you call his raise and push when you make the weakest of your draws. By that time, tho, you were committed. Reminds me of my play in limit omaha, I chase way too much. I don't like this hand. Basically you put over $20 into this pot drawing to 1 out, the 8d, and it might not be any good, if you're up against QJd.
Blink20
QUOTE (RISEorFall)
QUOTE (Blink20)


that 9 isn't going to give anyone trips, it'll just give someone a worse hand.
Worse than your 7 high?




Ofcourse the value of my hand at that point was horrible, just 7 high.

I was saying the 9 on turn probably made their hand weaker compared to what it was before, it was a scare card. Ofcourse, in this spot I was wrong as the short stack made his trip 9's,

I think you are probably right smash, in saying I should take the free card on the turn. But I'm not sure :-( I turned a lot of outs, and I thought I had the extra leverage of them folding in that spot.
bascomeb
In NL you should always be careful drawing to hands when the board pairs. But betting there on the turn is just awful.
PrtyPSux
I havent read any responses yet..

IMO you played it horribly, take both free cards if you can. Why bet w/ a gutshot on the button? On the turn your flush draw could be a worse one, and your gutshot could be drawing dead. 910 and 89 are hands that are often played, so w/ 1000 people in the flop someone has to have a 9, and could possibly have a boat or catch 1 if ur gutshot hits.
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